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Summermemories
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posted April 12, 2004 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Summermemories   Click Here to Email Summermemories     
The boweye on my CL14 has worked itself loose. It's not just the nuts backing off. It feels more like the wood backing in the stem has gone spongy and soft.

Cody was kind-enough to send me a 4" inspection port. I'm going to cut a hole in the deck of the foward bow to access the area behind the boweye for a repair.

As you may imagine, I'm nervous about cutting into what seems like a critical structural part of the boat (right behind where the forestay/jib attaches). I figure I need to strike a balance between close-enough to reach in for the repair and far-enough back (to avoid weakening the forepeak).

Anyone ever do this? Any suggestions for how far back to cut the hole? Any idea how far down the bow the wood stem extends?

Any advice welcome (and thanks to Cody for his previous test posts. I'll take the ribbing).

piper576
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posted April 12, 2004 11:49 AM           
I had the same problem two years ago.
After getting the insp. port also a 4" from CL I cut a hole using a jigsaw roughly 12" back from the bow point and off center to the starboard as to allow the cver a flat surface to mount to rather than the ridge if mounted dead center. Dont worry there was lots of room for your arm and after reseting a new hardwood block and refastening of bow eye. I seated the ring used pop rivets to secure screwed on the plate and went sailing. I found no structural damage or weakness because of the port. Dont worry I am sure that Cody would have let us know if there were any worries about doing it.
I have a pic showing the installed port but sorry dont know how to post it.


Summermemories
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posted April 12, 2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Summermemories   Click Here to Email Summermemories     
Piper576-

I really appreciate the advice! Thank you.

I drew a circle on the deck last fall (before the snows set in) as a guess at where I thought I might cut the hole. I'm interested to see how it compares to your 12" and off-center recommendation. I recall thinking that the pitch of the deck at the centerline suggested making the hole off-center but I can't recall where I ended up drawing it.

Do you recall how large a wood block you used? What type of wood?

Thanks again...

piper576
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posted April 13, 2004 11:04 AM           
Yes I used a piece of oak that I had laying around. after cutting the hole and removing the bow eye, I took a handful of childrens modeling clay and pressed it up against the inside of the bow to get an idea of shape then shaped the oak to fit snug. I then drilled holes to match and spead a coat of marine silicone on the block and using the drilled holes and long bolts set it in place let set for a day and put the eye bolt back on.
Dont forget to seal the bottom outside ring of the port cover ( you dont want water from the bow waves to get inside ) after a summer of crazy sailing in lake Supirior it remained dry inside.


Summermemories
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posted April 13, 2004 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Summermemories   Click Here to Email Summermemories     
Perfect. Thanks again!


CL Staff
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posted April 17, 2004 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CL Staff   Click Here to Email CL Staff     
You will want to have the port far enough aft so that it is not burried in a wave every 3 seconds. Pop rivets are a great way to hold it in and be sure to use lots of marine sealant (3M 5200). The wooden back-up wood is available form CL for $5.00 but feel free to make your own. When the boats are built new we score the threads of the u-bolt so that the nuts have a hard time backing off.

Cheers,

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Cody
Sailing Advisor/Sales manager/Web Development
CL SAILBOATS
codyc@clsailboats.com


Summermemories
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posted May 10, 2004 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Summermemories   Click Here to Email Summermemories     
An update for anyone needing to try this themselves:

1) Off-center turns out to have been important advice. There's extra structural reinforcing that runs beneath the centerline of the deck. If I had centered the port (the plan before the good advice given here) I would have cut through it and (I believe) seriously weakened the deck.

2) The wood blocking was completely rotted away. No more than a couple of ounces of wood remained (all so deteriorated I was able to shred it between my fingers). I have no idea why the boweye hadn't pulled through the bow when cranking the boat onto the trailer this past year.

3) Hard to tell how far the wood blocking extended (since little of it remained). I don't think it was more than 8-10" but I'm going to try and replace it with at least 10" if possible.

4) I had to cut away some very thin fiberglass aft of the wood block (that I suspect was simply to hold the wood block temporarily in place during construction). It didn't seem thick-enough to be structural so I'm not planning on replacing it. It was a little difficult to saw it away with only the 4" hole for access.

5) I'm not sure why the wood rotted in the first place. It's seems like it was far-enough from the bilge (although pounding would clearly splash it). I'm wondering if perhaps the plate that secures the foot of the jib (right above) needs to be rebed. I may do that now (since teh nuts will be easier to access before the new wood block goes in). Even if your boweye seems secure, I'd recommend squeezing a little 3M 5200 into any gaps where the threads for the boweye exit the bow. I'm thinking waves coming across the bow probably worked in through those gaps.

6) Some foam flotation is glued to the fiberglass (mostly under the cuddy and cockpit seats). The entire forepeak is empty, however. I'm wondering now whether (and how) I can use a little of that space for storage. I think I remember seeing some sort of hanging bag in a Westmarine catalog that nests underneath the cover of an inspection port. I'm thinking I may be able to at least stow some spare docklines, emergency tools, etc. by hanging them underneath the port.

7) I may stuff a few swim-noodles into the forepeak (to further increase the amount of floatation material).

Thanks again for the advice!

Darcy
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posted May 10, 2004 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     
This may be overkill but you only want to do this job once. I would coat the plywood you add back to the bow with epoxy before you glue it in place. That way, you have totally sealed the wood which should prevent any further rot.

I would also fill any drilled holes with epoxy and let it dry before sealing around the screw or bolt with the 3M 5200. Again, by doing this, you have sealed the wood entirely, preventing moisture from getting in and causing rot.

D'Arcy

Summermemories
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posted May 18, 2004 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Summermemories   Click Here to Email Summermemories     
Update #2

90% done.

Jib hardware has been rebed with 3M 5200.

I laminated a replacement block from two pieces of 3/4" teak using epoxy. I think the teak was overkill and if I had to do it again I would have just ordered a block from Cody. I took Darcy's advice and coated the shaped block on all sides with epoxy before bedding it into the bow using 3M 5200 (I figured it would be easier to remove in the future if I didn't use epoxy).

My carving and shaping wasn't perfect. I ended up cutting the wood to about 8" (I was hoping to keep it 10-12"). Despite using the clay trick, there was a 1/4" void between the front of the block and the fiberglass of the bow. I covered the bottom boweye hole with electrical tape and injected epoxy into the void through the upper boweye hole. That seems to have filled the void up nicely.

All that's left is to redrill the boweye holes, set the locknuts, and attach the access plate.



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