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Celtic Kiss
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posted December 27, 2002 02:37 PM           
Hey Guys:

I hope everybody had a great Christmas and let's all hope for a peaceful and prosperous New Year.

Santa (could have been my parents) left me a Garmin etrex Venture handheld GPS.
http://www.garmin.com/products/etrexVenture/

I can hardly wait to use it on the boat rather than walking around the neighborhood with it.

I'd like to know if anyone has any suggestions of where to mount it. I'm thinking of putting it in a Zip-lock bag and strapping it horizontally to the windward side-seat. That way I can look down and read it with relative ease. (I hope) Should I put a box around it so it doesn't get beat up?

My other question is; IS it worth me buying a CD-Rom so I can download charts (no water depths) into it?

Thanks for your help

Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120


Tom D CL16
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posted December 27, 2002 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom D CL16   Click Here to Email Tom D CL16     
I borrow my nephews when I go to a large body of water. The 1st time I went around the neighborhood setting waymarks. I had everyones porch and trees. I mounted a compass on the CB trunk. Don't know if that was a good idea or not. If you mount it have it so you can turn it off. The one I use eats batteries fast about 15 hours running time. On a vacation you can use a lot of them.
Tom D


whited
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posted December 28, 2002 02:45 PM           
Welcome to the world of GPS.
I've had a Magellan 315 for two years.
On the Mirage 33 I use it in conjunction with a marine chart.
On a CL 14/16, space is limited.
I would mount it where it has an unobstructed view of the sky, yet was safe from banging against anything hard.
If I was handy sewing, I'd try to make a protective sleeve out of closed cell foam and velcro, taking care not to block the antenna or controls.
The 315 is supposed to be waterproof?? and floats if dropped...so I wouldn't cover it with a baggie.
As for use on a small daysailer...
I would setup all my waypoints on dry land from my chart, create a route with the waypoints and then just follow the 'yellow brick road'.
If you have an old laptop and can get a copy of Nobeltec software, and if your unit is capable of hooking up....a whole world of fun awaits. We did this a year ago when we sailed the Mirage from the St. Margaret's Club in French Village to Chester in Mahone Bay.


Celtic Kiss
unregistered
posted December 28, 2002 06:31 PM           
Tom and Don;

I'm having a lot of fun with it so far. I haven't taken waypoints of the neighbors houses and trees but I did "punch-in" some local pubs and the neighborhood liquor store.

I was also considering mounting the unit on the CB Trunk but thought it may be a bit difficult to read in rough weather and, sheets or my feet could hit it. And as Don pointed out I want it to be in safe, dry place unobstructed place.

Don. I don't have a Halifax Harbour chart but was wondering if you have waypoints for such places as McNab's Island Lighthouse, Thrumcap buoy, Ives Knoll, Halifax Charlie, Bravo and Alpha, Chedabucto head etc.? Is there a place on the net that can give me that info?

Robert

whited
unregistered
posted December 28, 2002 08:00 PM           
The Coast guard had a site that gave the name location and co-ordinates of every buoy on the coast.
I printed them up a year ago.
I think the site moved.....but will start searching tomorrow..I'll mark as a 'favorite' when I find it and let you know.
Don


Celtic Kiss
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posted December 29, 2002 02:12 AM           
Don;


Thanks that would be a great help!!!


Robert


whited
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posted December 29, 2002 05:55 PM           
Yo....Robert
See if this site works...
http://www.notmar.ca/eng/services/list/atlantic_coast_2001_e.php


Celtic Kiss
unregistered
posted December 29, 2002 07:34 PM           
Don;

Thanks a lot. This is precisely the site I was hoping for.

Robert

CL Staff
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posted December 30, 2002 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CL Staff   Click Here to Email CL Staff     
Hello,

Hope you all had an enjoyable Christmas and are looking forward to the new year (new year, new sailing season! 2 and a half months till my season starts!) as much as I am.

I once thought about mounting a GPS and I was thinking of using some kind of velcro system so that I could bring the GPS with me to the windward side. There was also a swivel mount available for most GPS' at the time. I thought this could be used to mount the GPS on the c/b trunk and then I could swivel the unit to get a good view of it.

I even thought of mounting a projector on either gunwale and then "projecting" the GPS onto my mainsail... ok so I didn't really think of that. But if CL ever did a R&D on GPS mounting I would be sure to give it a shot.

Getting bored here in the office so I thought I would chime in. I'll be int he chat if anyone is interested.

Regards

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Cody
Sailing Advisor/Sales manager/Web Development
CL SAILBOATS
codyc@clsailboats.com


whited
unregistered
posted December 30, 2002 12:23 PM           
Cody....
Since this is the season for giving..
any chance we'll see the new manual for the CL 14 on this site in the near future??
I'd love to see the old sales brocures also.
Do you have any back to 84/85??


Canadian Sailor
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posted January 07, 2003 09:05 PM           
Hi all and Merry Christmas, lot's of snow and good wind.

Now, down to business. I am a man with very little money, therefore, I cannot buy sophistication as Robert's GPS, I must rely on the old compass system. Problem is, I don't know it.
Any help with this would be of great help.
I would also like to know if there are any sites with nautical maps of small, unknown lakes (I had to use Alta Vista for the map alone, the little thing it gives is too bloody small so I had to sketch 6 or 7 of them on to one big piece of paper, I'll get around to problems with that later) as I was unable to find any (Alta Vista didn't give one.

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Canadian Sailor ;)
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you
criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."


whited
unregistered
posted January 08, 2003 09:11 AM           
As they teach us in the Cdn Sail & Power Squadron.....proper charts are very important, and a legal requirement if you do
not have extensive detailed knowledge of the area you sail in.
If you are talking about inland lakes, topographical maps may be the way to go.
Around here they are just a bit shy of
$ 20.00 each...but use the Transverse Mercator ?? system rather than the Latitude/longitude we are familiar with.


whited
unregistered
posted January 08, 2003 12:31 PM           
make that UTM....
Universal Tranverse Mercator system
developed by US Army to navigate on land in metric system.
Most gps units should be able to switch between both systems.


Canadian Sailor
unregistered
posted January 09, 2003 04:22 PM           
Please excuse my lack of understanding on both accounts: What is the technique? And where can I get the maps?

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Canadian Sailor ;)
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you
criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."


whited
unregistered
posted January 09, 2003 04:37 PM           
What province are you in?

Here in Halifax, I used to get my topo maps from the Provincial Gov't bookstore, until they closed them out.
Now I can walk to a Outdoor type store that sells hiking/canoeing/kayaking equipment.
We have three or four boating supplies stores that also sell on the internet. http://ca.binnacle.com/online/ http://www.mmosonline.com/
They are fun to browse.


whited
unregistered
posted January 09, 2003 04:39 PM           
Oh yeah....
If you want to learn how to navigate I suggest taking the CPS Boating Course.
It's a good start and may encourage you to take more courses http://www.cps-ecp.ca/english/index.html


Canadian Sailor
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posted January 10, 2003 06:50 AM           
I live in Ontario, the only possible place I can of to get the maps would be the CYA, but they probably only have ones of Lake Ontario.

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Canadian Sailor ;)
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you
criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."


Celtic Kiss
unregistered
posted January 10, 2003 12:22 PM           
CS:

Give the Coast Guard a try. They may be able to help you. If they placed buoys, bacons etc. on the lakes your speaking of, there should be a chart for it. It's a shot in the dark but better than no shot at all. In any event I'm sure they can help lead you in the right direction.


Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120


Celtic Kiss
unregistered
posted January 10, 2003 04:05 PM           
Canadian Sailor;

Here is a site I found that may be of some use to you. I hope it will help you.
http://www.maptown.com/

Robert

Rob Wierdsma
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posted January 23, 2003 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Wierdsma   Click Here to Email Rob Wierdsma     
If you're inteh Toronto area, you can get maps at Mason's (Base of Hurontario at Lakeshore). There also used to be a governmetn of Ontario book store at Bay and a little south of Wellsley on the west side.

quote:
Originally posted by Canadian Sailor:
I live in Ontario, the only possible place I can of to get the maps would be the CYA, but they probably only have ones of Lake Ontario.




Ken
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posted January 27, 2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     
To Robert of Celtic Kiss:

We use a Garmin GPS 48 in our Sandpiper. Certainly more mounting options than in your boat but just wanted to say that these things can receive satellite signals perfectly well when mounted inside a fibreglass hull. Don't worry so much about it being able to see the sky......just make it visible to the helm position and try to keep it out of harms way from sailor's feet and stray loops of sheets etc. Garmin has lots of accessories including a marine mount. Ours seems spray-proof enough and it's mounted in the cockpit in all but rainy weather. Here's the marine mount.
http://shop.garmin.com/accessory.jsp?sku=010%2D10354%2D00


An external DC power source (small motorcycle battery?) would give you power for navigation lights and your GPS as well.
A combined DC power/data cable will provide DC power to your unit.
http://shop.garmin.com/accessory.jsp?sku=010%2D10268%2D00


Having owned and used my Garmin GPS since 1999 I can tell you that their area of pre-programmed or down-loadable navigation aids is limited to the U.S.A. only. Lot's of help if you sail on Lake Ontario near the mouth of the Niagara River, but useless elsewhere.

Your GPS has the new WAAS option, so it has the capability of giving you a position accuracy to less than three meters {when receiving WAAS corrections.}

We set a course on the paper chart at home, transfer the waypoints into the GPS and it simply tells us which direction to steer and how long it will take to get there. It's quite useful to determine which tack is closer to the course rumb line.

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"Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic
And amateurs built the Ark."


Celtic Kiss
unregistered
posted January 28, 2003 02:05 AM           
Ken;

Thanks for the info about downloading charts. Right now I don't have any plans to sail in U.S. waters but that could easily change. However the website that Don provided me, in this thread, has been a monumental help to me. In fact I've been able to get plot my courses in N.S. from my computer in Alberta!!

Your mention of cables is most intriguing to me. I didn't consider using the cables for the GPS because I thought I'd rely on keeping a lot of batteries for spares but I have contemplated putting running lights on. At present I use a coat hanger, shaped into a loop, that is attached to the bowplate. The original purpose of this little bowsprit was to catch the spinnaker sheets so they don't go underneath the hull. However this bowsprit also holds my nav light in place as well. (My nav light is one of those flashlight units whose lense is green and red.) The only problem with that though is the light is low to the water thus I'm not sure how visible I really am. A mast head light would help solve the problem, but I never really knew how I'd install one on a CL 16. If the motorcycle battery you mention is compact enough, I might be able to get a masthead light afterall.

Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120


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Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120


whited
unregistered
posted January 28, 2003 08:34 AM           
On small boats like ours, a single, all around white light would meet requirements.

I bought the external power cable at
$ 30.00 for my Magellan 315 so I could use it in the car (cigarette adaptor) or on the Mirage 33.
I should have bought the combination power/data cable at $ 50.00
I see there is a software upgrade for the 315 and now I can't download and transfer to the gps. d'oh!



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