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Topic: Dismasted Sandpiper
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Celtic Kiss unregistered
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posted May 24, 2002 02:29 PM
Hello fellow sailors; Today I was walking through the boat yard in Calgary and saw a rather disturbing sight. I've seen a lot of laughable things on the Calgary sailing scene (last year I saw a guy use bungee cords to tie his boat to the dock and left it unattended with the sails up!!) But what I saw earlier today though could have been a complete disaster. I saw a Sandpiper on its trailer with its mast on little building behind it. As you may have seen on the weather network, Calgary was hit with a freak storm the other night (Thunder, lightning and 15cm snow all at the same time) Apparently the high wind managed to vibrate the mast from the turnbuckle on the forestay. I inspected the rig and didn't observe any breaks or stripping of threads. I can only surmise that the lower end of the threaded turnbuckle was not inserted far enough into the sleeve to give the forestay any strength. It was a disaster waiting to happen. This has reminded me to check all turnbuckles before heading out and thought I should share this with you. Quite often we overlook the obvious and we pay dearly for it in the end. Fortunately at the time of the accident the boat was on it's trailer and was away from overhead wires. If this happened on the water, I shudder to think of what could have happened.  The same storm also blew a CL16 from its trailer resulting in tangled masts with a neighboring boat. A few years ago someone's boat blew off its trailer and missed my mast by 2 feet. I don't think that guy will ever no how lucky he was not to hit me. When it comes to my boat I,m like a mamma bear. Robert Celtic Kiss #2120
[This message has been edited by Celtic Kiss (edited May 24, 2002).]
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whited unregistered
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posted May 27, 2002 08:40 AM
I survived a de-masting while racing a Mirage 33. The chainplate tore awar from the bow and that's where the forestay was fastened. The big 45 foor mast came crashing down between me and the skipper's girlfriend in the cockpit. Yes the winds were very strong and we should have reefed the sails...but who wants to look wimpy during your club's weekly races.
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Celtic Kiss unregistered
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posted May 27, 2002 11:17 PM
Sounds pretty scary I hope nobody was hurt.
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whited unregistered
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posted May 28, 2002 08:23 AM
Not a scratch. When it came down I was bending down over on the starboard side of the cockpit untangling lines, and the skipper's girlfriens aawas at the wheel on the port side. The mast dented the u shaped rail at the binnacle and the stern rail. The skipper and other crewmember were forward trying to secure the mast before it fell. (the babystay held the mast up for 5 or so minutes after the chainplate ripped off.)
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Darcy Member
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posted May 28, 2002 09:37 AM
Hi Guys:I've been involved in several dismastings over the years. They're always terrifying. A few points of sober second thought so that maybe we'll all be very careful with our rigging: Make sure your mast is tuned properly. Back in the 70's it was common to sail Sharks with fairly loose rigging. This let you put a lot of bend in the mast (like Finns & Lasers do) so you could power upwind very efficiently. It also meant the mast could be under too much compresion and could break under the pressure in heavey weather. We had our mast break in a squall while racing. Nobody was hit but the mast under the boat still attached with the rigging would pull the hull right over to the point of taking on water (very high seas that day). The mast was also pounding a hole in the hull. since then I've always carried bolt cutters so that you can quickley cut the rigging away if need be. (I know it's extra weight while racing but you need them.) In another dismasting, (a larger keel boat) when the mast went no one was actually hit by the mast but the snapping rigging cracked around the deck like a whip! One of our friends was grazed by a flying stay in the side of the head. Head cuts bleed a lot and the scene was horrific. I've never seen so much blood; over the deck, sails, everywhere. Our friend was OK but we were really scared for a while. So, in closing, check and double check. Make sure your'e mast is tuned correctly, and all tiurnbuckles are taped or wired. Re-check often; it's amazing how sail handling can undo a turnbuckle. There's a fine line between having a good time and a miserable experience. Regards, D'Arcy
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whited unregistered
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posted May 28, 2002 11:15 AM
Hi D'Arcy.. Great to meet another 'survivor'.Do you know of any good sources for tuning rigging? especially in mid size keelboats such as the Mirage 33. Don in Halifax
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Ken Member
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posted May 29, 2002 01:40 PM
The Sandpiper that I have has shroud and forstay turnbuckles that cannot be wired. They have jamming nuts both top and bottom and I keep these very tight. When sailing close-hauled the lee shroud is floppy...a bit unsettling until you examine the situation. There are no intermediate shrouds so the mast will flex in the middle while the boat is beating in moderate winds. This is unavoidable in this simple rig. What is important is to lift the turnbuckle guards regularly and check things. Make sure that the shroud's lower turnbuckle is connected to the deck "U" bolt with a swivel to help keep the turnbuckle fair and prevent bending. Use ring cotters in all pin fasteners and install backup plates or at least oversized washers and nylon locking nuts on the shroud "U" bolts through the side decks. I removed and rebedded all deck fittings last spring with 3M 5200 sealant and used big stainless washers and lock nuts. The bow casting and lifeline stanchions were also treated in this manner."ShortWave" is now sitting happily at her mooring and we're looking forward to cruising the west end of lake Ontario and a trip to Kingston is also in the works. Sail safe, Ken Goodings
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Eric Member
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posted May 29, 2002 11:17 PM
Hi Ken. I too am in the process of re-bedding deck fittings. One question I had is in regards to the jib sheet traveller track. I experienced some leakage here last season and have removed them, but the plastic spacing material the track sits on has compleatly disintegrated. Did you have a similiar repair and if so what did you do to resolve the problem? Cheers Eric
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Darcy Member
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posted May 31, 2002 08:34 AM
Don: I'm not familiar with any recent books on rig tuning. We have always taken the approach of checking all the similar boats at the club or marina with a rig tension guage to get a consensus on tension and rake. (With the boat owner's permission of course.) Usually, sailors are very helpful with their opinions.D'Arcy
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Ken Member
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posted June 04, 2002 01:41 PM
Eric:There wasn't any spacer at all under the jibsheet track. I wonder if my '74 Sandpiper has different hardware than more modern hulls. BTW, the books I have read never recommend sealing around deck fasteners inside of the hull. It traps water that manages to get through. Better you should have a drip warning inside and realize that there is a bedding failure than retain the water inside the drilled hole. Mind you, it's not such a big problem with these solid non-cored decks as it would be on a bigger boat with coring. ------------------ "Drop a load of gurry overboard on Tuesday and it'll still be wit ye on Saturday"
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