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Tom on Cape Cod
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posted July 29, 2002 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom on Cape Cod   Click Here to Email Tom on Cape Cod     
Does any one know of a simple way to make sure the tension on the shrouds/sidestays are even. I followed the instructions in the manual and was able to get the mast vertical. I wonder however if I have the tension close to equal.They feel about the same, but I was hoping for a little advice.
On a related matter, for whatever reason the rake of the mast is 13 inches from the black band on the mast and that is with the tensioner at its limits. Since I bought the boat used and I know some work had been done on the mast,I wonder if the forestay is to long. Thoughts?
Thank you for any information.
Tom


Darcy
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posted July 31, 2002 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     
Tom:
A number of the racing sailors I know have a shroud tension meter that gives you a numerical reading of your tension. If you're racing it's important to have the two sides close to equal. I believe they are available in most marine stores that cater to sailors. You just clip the device onto your shroud and read the numbers. The real racing keeners have different settings for different wind speeds.

Since I'm not a serious racer, I just go by feel. If you start off with your mast straight, you'll learn to get the shrouds close in tension by feel.

Regards, D'Arcy

Celtic Kiss
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posted August 01, 2002 12:20 AM           
Tom;

I too have asked this question and today I took the opportunity to check some rig tensions on 2 CL 16's and one Wayfarer.

I used a Loos Tension Guage (Model # 91) and the results were quited varied.

The first boat CL 16: 1/8" wire for shrouds and forestay. Tension on Starboard shroud was 230 lbs and tension on Port Shroud was 210 lbs. The forestay was roughly 60 lbs. In my Opinion this boat is under too much tension and is a high risk for breakage under high loads.

Second Boat: 1/8 " wire. The shrouds and forestay were too loose for the guage to measure. The tension "felt" a lot like mine. In this scenario, the windward shroud will tighten-up considerably leaving the lee shroud very slack. Considering that the CL is overall a light boat I don't think there is too much problem here. My only concern though is that the lee shroud could become a victim of "compression shock" when changing tacks in high wind. (Going from slack to tight in the blink of an eye) I have been told that a way to reduce mast sway is to place wooden shims between the mast and the mast sleeve.

The final boat: 1/8" wire on a Wayfarer and I think the skipper is a keen racer. The first thing to remember here is that the Wayfarer has superior spreaders to the CL 16. The spreaders on a CL 16 sag thus reducing tension on the shrouds. ( See an earlier post to read how I solved this problem. Spreader Measurement for CL 16 dated May 6 / 02) The tension on both shrouds of this boat were set at 160 lbs while the forestay, though snug, was too loose to read on the guage.

Overall I'd say to get your rig as close in tension as is possible without overdoing it. One thing I noticed a few years ago in my boat was that the mast step was getting quite worn down hence I replaced it. My new mast step is thicker than the old one (maybe by 1/16" maybe as much as 1/8") Nonetheless the mast is now mounted a tiny bit higher and as a result the rig is a bit tighter than before.
After surveying all of this I am comfortable with 1)not too tight of stays, 2)a new 3/4" mast mount and 3)mast shims.

I hope you find this useful.

Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120


Tom on Cape Cod
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posted August 01, 2002 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom on Cape Cod   Click Here to Email Tom on Cape Cod     
Thank you D'Arcy and Robert for the info. I am beginning to feel better about the rigging on my boat being set up properly. Since I keep my boat on a trailer I did notice that the verticle of the mast did change slightly and I would never have suspected the spreaders. The post mentioned did get me to thinking and I believe that I will change the spreaders to the tubing you mentioned. Have you noticed a signifacant change? I suppose stepping and unstepping a mast would effect the tension if the spreaders were sloppy. Thanks again.

PS This site has been great since it is CL specific. I probably have learned more about the CL 16 since I found this site than I would have learned by trial and error.

Tom


Celtic Kiss
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posted August 02, 2002 03:43 AM           
Tom;

The spreaders work great. One note though, I did not butt the spreader right to the spreader bracket. I left a bit of space for swing room.

Robert

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