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Topic: More Water
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KenM
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posted April 02, 2006 02:38 PM
 
Pulled the tarp off the Piper today.Another beautiful day in Welland.
Was astonished to find about 10 gallons water in aft lockers, and the flotation chamber under the cockpit floor just loaded with water too. I cut out the cockpit floor last fall prior to tarping her up for the winter, hoping it would help dry this area out. It was soaked back then,and I used my shop vac to empty it out prior to closing up. Is this normal condensation, or what??? It would appear nothing in the way of "Drying out" has occurred at all. it was a brand new tarp....20'*40', full coverage of the boat by the tarp,all the way down to the deck the trailer sits on. No way rain,snow got in at all. I'm at a loss to explain or understand this. Please remember I'm a boat newbie.
Figured I'd be dry by now.HELP Please
thanks,
Ken
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KenM
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posted April 02, 2006 09:34 PM
Managed to dig out another 100lbs. worth of water soaked foam from under the cockpit floor today. Those of you who have expressed an interest/concern in checking out the "spongy cockpit floor" may wish to heed my advice. Cut it out, and see what you've got down there.
Ken
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SuperPiper
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posted April 03, 2006 06:39 PM
Rather than cut out the entire floor, you should consider the installation of a hatch. I too had cut away the entire floor and then had to rebuild from scratch which turned into a rather large task. Here is a 13" x 17" hatch inserted into the cockpit sole of Sapphire. The hatch provides easy access to the hidden volume under the Sandpiper cockpit.  Here is the hatch in the open position. Hey, there is the battery in its new location. That's another 30 lbs of internal, centre-line ballast.  I intend to inflate a truck tube in there to reclaim some of the lost bouyancy. The donut hole in the centre could be a good location to stow gear. Perhaps a good mud anchor for the '06 Rendezvous. [This message has been edited by SuperPiper (edited April 03, 2006).]
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Patrick Crooks
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posted April 03, 2006 07:26 PM
I started last year with the cutting of holes in the cabin which I will finish off this spring by intalling the inspection ports. I was thinking of installing an inspection port into the cockpit floor as well but I didn't know how it would stand up with me walking on it.Patrick
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whited
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posted April 03, 2006 08:06 PM
Wow.. Dennis, that's some hatch.
Do you have to worry about turning an ankle or tripping while walking or changing positions quickly while sailing?I think I'll weigh mine before doing anything drastic. If it's within 100 lbs of the 1200 lb posted weight, I'll leave well enough alone.
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Darcy
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posted April 04, 2006 12:29 PM
SuperPiper's cockpit also has really large drain holes that get all the water out of the cockpit. No pooling water can sit on this floor.
D'Arcy, Shorwave
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Patrick Crooks
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posted April 14, 2006 06:00 PM
Brought Barefoot home today and continued with the cutting of inspection port holes to see how much water was inside. I cut two 6" holes into the aft quarter berths (1 on each side) and noticed that the foam floatation was wet and mildewed. I pulled out 4 green garbage bags of semi water-logged foam.There was no rhyme or reason for the foam size and shape or where it was placed. most was loose while others where jammed into corners. When this was completed I then realized that it is one giant open space in there not three seperate areas. I thought there was going to be a seperate space for each berth and one for the cockpit floor. I guess I don't need to put an inspection port into the cockpit floor now. Patrick
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Patrick Crooks
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posted April 14, 2006 06:10 PM
I noticed today that there was more water in the cabin than last week when I went and checked on Barefoot. I noticed that the front hatch and the cockpit lazerette lid do not have any type of seal on them. I'm going to go get some sealing material on Saturday but where should it go. Should I place it on the hatches or should it go on the raised areas on the liner? I'm going to rebed all the fittings and reseal the windows aswell. hopefully that will solve all the problems.Patrick
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whited
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posted April 14, 2006 06:19 PM
Patrick...
Were you able to reach under the cabin floor to remove foam? I wonder if new replacement foam is needed to help support the structure above it?
This talk is starting to make me nervous. Think I'll tow my 'Piper out to a weigh station this week and try to decipher what shape I'm in.
BTW did you ever enlarge your cockpit seat drains (and cockpit sole drain)?
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Patrick Crooks
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posted April 14, 2006 07:20 PM
Don,Yes I was able to reach under the cockpit floor to remove the foam. My cockpit floor is very rigid so I don't need to build up anything to support the floor. Please see below 3 pictures. This is a picture of the 6" hole I drilled into the quarterberth. THere is another hole in the other quarter berth aswell.
 Here is a picture of the empty space inside. notice how translucent the hull is.
 Here is the same picture as above but with the flash.
 Patrick
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Windroos
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posted April 14, 2006 08:03 PM
I made an inspection hole last year at the same place on the berth and I noticed it was filled with white foam. The above part was dry and I did not push forward my inspection. Did the picture came from the hole? I thought it would be more spacious than that. So if I understand well, what we see is the part that lies underneath the cockpit floor? Even if the top part is dry, should I risk taking all the foam from there just to see? Hum!!!
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Shortstay
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posted April 14, 2006 08:54 PM
Patrick, great job on sharing this info with us. I know it helps me have a much better understanding of how the Piper is built.I also loved the no flash/with flash comparison. Really was enlightening, no pun intended. ------------------
Kevin
Shortstay III, #901
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elmet3
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posted April 15, 2006 11:04 AM
Super photos! I'm a little confused on orientation. Are we looking across the beam? Which bulkhead is in view to the right?
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Shortstay
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posted April 15, 2006 12:14 PM
My surmise: looking port, bulkhead to right is going into the cabin.
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Windroos
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posted April 15, 2006 05:43 PM
How did you manage to take all that foan from such a small opening? I might consider adding another inspection hole but this time on the port side. Not 6 but 10 or 12 inches at least. Might as well go for the max. ------------------
John
Quebec city
1981 Sandpiper 927
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Patrick Crooks
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posted April 15, 2006 08:10 PM
Shortstay is correct on the orientation. As for getting the foam out of a 6" hole, All I can say is it was not easy. The thin foam was easy to break but the 6 inch thick foam was cut with a knife then pulled through. It took about 1 1/2 hours to pull it all out. As for the bulkhead to the right shortstay is correct in saying that it is going into the cabin but only after another 12" of foam and another bulkhead. That area is where the step is inside the cabin. Patrick
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Windroos
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posted April 15, 2006 10:31 PM
Yes I see. I wanted for 2 years to make an inspection hole right in that bulkhead on the inside near the foot step. It should get me to that foam and see what's there. Shouldn't be any water since it is a bit high compare to the space we talked earlier. How can you explain a squeeking sound when I walk inside the cabin floor? I drilled 2 hole 1/4 in on each side ot he table and thought that water would come frome there but not an ounce. Is there any foam there? I do not suppose since the thicknes between the floor and the hull seem so small. I alway find water under the head in the front part of the boat(1 cup or 2 at the max in one year)where the hose pass trought the bulkhead. I know it doesn't come from the anchor locker as I sealed it completely. It has to come from the back and had stayed there for many years, (I have owned the boat for 3 years now). Maybe the previous owner has experienced it and never talked about it. We are getting closer every day. =8-)
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