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Topic: Waterlogged flotation???
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Kiwi John
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posted April 12, 2006 09:27 PM
 
I keep hearing this talk about the bouyancy foam in our pipers and cl16 being waterlogged???
Why on earth would a manufacturer put in a bouyancy material that gets waterlogged.
Maybe someone at CL can explain what type of foam was used and if in fact this is true!Thanks
John
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whited
unregistered
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posted April 12, 2006 11:43 PM
John..
If you want an answer from CL.. you'll have to phone them direct.
Once in a blue moon Cody Cote used to come on line here when he worked at CL, but since he left............
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Shortstay
Member
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posted April 13, 2006 08:36 AM
I suggest one must assume it was a cost savings decision.------------------
Kevin
Shortstay III, #901
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whited
unregistered
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posted April 13, 2006 08:59 AM
..or career move by Cody....
Hope the change benefits all concerned.
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KenM
Member
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posted April 13, 2006 11:58 PM
John,
According to Tom at CL it is problematic on the Sandpipers because the bulkheads on the lazerette and forward of the cockpit floor were never completely sealed,and should not be considered watertight.Any cracks in the fibreglass is going to allow water in where it does not belong. I have the very same water problem at the present moment in time. I cannot yet consider myself a sailor, but I did ask the questions I needed answered on the forums,asked the builder, did the digging around on my own boat, and when all was said and done, got enough info. to form my own opinion as to why my boat was wet in various places. Yes, my foam was extremely wet and I have removed it.I now need to eliminate the source of the moisture,seal up the bulkheads,replace the bouyancy,and all being well, the problem is solved. One must also take into account that my boat is now 30 years old. Shit happens,and as a result, corrective actions become a necessity.I'm still working on it. I cannot speak for CL16 owners.I really cannot speak for the Sandpiper owners either. I only can pass on my recent experiencies.There are many owners on the forum that have opinions,and much greater experience than I, and can assist you in that.
Good luck
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Windroos
Member
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posted April 14, 2006 08:09 PM
Ken, How will you put back floatation in the different areas? Unless it is foam from a can? I can't see how we can put some rigid material trough a 6 inches hole.My boat is finally in my front yard as today and the worrying is starting to build up. ------------------
John
Quebec city
1981 Sandpiper 927
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KenM
Member
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posted April 14, 2006 10:43 PM
Hi John,
I cut out my whole cockpit floor to get at the wet stuff, so i don't need to worry about having only a 6" space to work with to replace it. I am still thinking about a replacement material. I've read about truck tire inner tubes on the forum,amongst other things. I'm tempted to replace it with a household type styrofoam SM insulation,glued together in a block,and treated with a water repellant/sealer, something along the lines of a Thompsons Water Seal. No doubt my comments will raise further comment and questions from the rest of the forum members. I hope so.....I'm also concerned,and am really not sure how to get around this problem.
Ken M
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clracer
Member
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posted April 15, 2006 12:42 AM
i was talking to a with a guy that buys racing boats in canada and usa then ships them over to europ this last summer if you really want he was telling me the thing he does is he rent a shipping container then puts a heater industrial electric then the puts the boat and heater in the container and leaves it in for a week this evapourates the water out of all the foam and everwhere else then the boat is completly dry.
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Shortstay
Member
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posted April 15, 2006 10:29 AM
I'm not sure about this idea, but I've heard it before: styrofom packing peanuts. It would clearly be easy to get them into any void, but I don't know if they are susceptible to getting waterlogged. I also don't now how much they cost.
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elmet3
Member
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posted April 15, 2006 10:53 AM
Duchess doesn't seem to have the water problem; for one thing the original owner glassed all the bulkheads and everything seems to be water tight. But I have thought about looking at the floatation just to be sure. Haven't had the courage or time to cut into the boat without knowing a problem exists.
I think the building insulation foam panels would be ideal if they are closed cell and won't absorb water. It wouldn't be too difficult to check. Weigh a piece, submerge it for several weeks, reweigh it.
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whited
unregistered
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posted April 15, 2006 11:59 AM
My niece and her husband were in here last week to visit mom. Since he used to work at Rosborough Boats, I could have asked him.
I'm guessing the proper foam used in new boats is expensive.
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Windroos
Member
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posted April 15, 2006 05:50 PM
I guess I will cut a 2 inches thick pink foam 2x6 feet from construction supplier in 6x6inches size and fill the gap under the floor with it. Will be easier to replace if I ever have to do it and it doesn't collect moisture anyway.
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