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Topic: Hughes 36 anyone?
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whited
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posted September 11, 2005 07:08 PM
 
Is anyone here familiar with the 1975 'Hughes 36'??
The guy I crewed with for 5 years (Viking 28 & Mirage 33) called tonight. He's excited about getting back into big boat sailing.
The last two years he was using his 21' Hobie Cat and a SeaDoo.
He found a private sale at the Dartmouth Yacht Club. Someone has a 1975 Hughes 36 with an Atomic 4 gas inboard engine. There's not much on the internet so he asked me to see if I could rustle up any info.
Any leads would be appreciated.
Rob... I'll be over your club sometime this week. When I get the boat name, I'll contact you for any insider info you may have.
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Eric
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posted September 12, 2005 06:41 PM
 
No offence to you or you friend Don, but an old Hughes???? 
Especially after he had a beautiful Mirage!!There are some nice old classic looking Hughes around, early '70's vintage. In fact there's an "unwanted" and "unloved" old Hughes 30ish ft., down at my buddy's marina. She used to look beautiful, but has sadly been neglected for the last 3 or 4 seasons. I'm not sure if this applies to the model your friend is looking at, but I have read that some Hughes were sold to customers to finish themselves. Have a good look at it's systems, and have her surveyed! Here's an old 25, in tip top shape, from another friends marina. Nice lines on this vintage!!   Eric
[This message has been edited by Eric (edited September 12, 2005).] IP: 216.209.109.66 |
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posted September 12, 2005 07:42 PM
I read that about 'kit type' Hughes boats.
I tried to stear by buddy clear of the boat...but he's simply looking at the chance of buying a 36' boat for $ 25-30K. (asking price $30K)
We went over to see the boat at supper time. The hull is an odd shape... it actually bulges outward from deck level as it gets wider and then narrows below the water line. Instead of a nice sleek hull, it looks like a pregnent whale out of the water. The deck seemed 'chalky'. I ran my fingers over the gel coat and had a resdue on my hand. The hull is black and has numerous scuff marks. No obvious sign of blisters although the underwater coating looked fairly new. A couple of his staunchions are bent & twisted from Hurricane Juan two years ago. (wonder why they weren't replaced). I didn't go aboard.. it's on the hard supported by the screw jackstands. Word is there's a cradle at another yacht club in bad shape.
The owner told John that he had planned to take the boat to the Carribean, but at this stage was not up to it. I should have taken my camera. I think I know what's driving my buddy. He broke up with his girlfriend and now wants to re-live the fun we had in the early Viking/Mirage days. Most of his old girlfriends are now married/committed so he'd be starting from scratch. I tried to convinve him that a smaller boat with a bigger cockpit might be better for his 'social sails', but to no avail. He will have a knowledgeable friend take a look at the boat first before he commits to an offer & survey.
rob..if you're there...
I believe the name is 'Starbright' or something similar. It's next to the red boat on your left (south) as you enter the club.IP: 142.167.224.116 |
SuperPiper
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posted September 13, 2005 06:25 AM
Don:The "pregnant whale" feature may be tumblehome. I am not sure what function it provides. In modern Open 60s, the tumblehome provides self-righting or "what's the technical term for can lean further before rolling over - diminishing something or other". It is outlawed in most ocean racing classes - so it must be good. I think tumblehome looks cool. Northern 29s have it. Tanzer 7.5s have a fake tumblehome. The Sandpiper coaming at the cockpit provides tumblehome on the quarter. IP: 199.243.115.165 |
Eric
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posted September 13, 2005 07:24 AM
I believe that the design is built to the old IOR rule. I think that's where the bulging hull form comes from.
Perhaps Ken and or D'Arcy have more knowledge on this design.
EricIP: 130.63.85.93 |
Darcy
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posted September 13, 2005 08:58 AM
I'm no yacht designer but I think the tumblehome serves 3 purposes:On some measurement rules the measured deck width is less than the actual width. Keeps upper deck weight more central. This isn't always the best as sometimes you want a bit of width so the crew can be further out to keep the boat flat. You'll see some older (80's) boats that actually have a flare out from the tumblehome for crew to weather. The main reason I believe is the healed over shape of the hull is more efficient in the water. It gives the hull when healed some secondary stability. We sense this when sailing Shortwave. She heals to a certain point then stops. The secondary stability would allow some savings in keel weight which is an important design feature in a light weight trailer sailor. Canoes use the same principal. I'm with Superpiper; boats with tumblehome look cool. D'Arcy, Shortwave IP: 67.70.85.97 |
Fred
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posted September 13, 2005 10:31 PM
From a maratime cynic who's bought and sold a lot of boats:Tell your friend to make a real lowball offer, like half the asking, or less. They may well say yes. It's a hard boat to sell. If they don't say yes, they will (I predict) reply with a lower counter offer than one might expect. I don't think this is a boat that the buyer needs to worry about losing. Get somebody good to look at the Atomic 4. Problems there could be expensive. Maybe not a bargain at $25K. Out here in the salt water they rust away. There you have to worry about problems caused by freezing (cracked heads,blocks, and manifolds.) Chalking of the gel coat and residue on your hands do not indicate a structural problem. It will probably shine up nicely with a buff and wax. IP: 24.64.223.203 |
Fred
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posted September 13, 2005 11:32 PM
Oops! I see you are on salt water. You need to worry about corrosion AND freezing.Fred on Gabriola (Gulf Islands, BC) IP: 24.64.223.203 |
CoolBreeze
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posted September 14, 2005 12:39 PM
Don, I will look into this boat this evening when I am over there for Wed night racing. I know the boat but nothing about it at this point. ------------------
Rob Belliveau
1976 Sandpiper 565
"CoolBreeze"
Halifax NS
Dartmouth Yacht Club IP: 142.176.14.228 |
Shortstay
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posted September 14, 2005 01:47 PM
Speaking of mid-30 footers with Atomic 4 engines, my wife was reminiscing last night about the Bristol 34 her family used to sail on LI Sound.------------------
Kevin
Shortstay III, #901 IP: 198.115.167.27 |
