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Topic: CL16 info requested: likes & dislikes
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Bob
unregistered
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posted August 22, 2004 04:38 PM
 
I'm just about set to purchase a 20yr old CL16 in amazing conditon. Never sailed one and am going on a test sail before purchase (I'm an X-Hobiecat guy). My questions is...could you good folks who are more familar with the CL16 please sum up a list of advantages and disadvantages about the boat...what you like about it and what you don't like. Sure appreciate your thoughts.
peters5@canada.comIP: 216.209.113.68 |
townsend
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posted August 23, 2004 12:04 PM
Likes: Dry, stable, comfortable, well-built, won't scare your non-sailing guests, holds six, easy to trailer. All in all, it's a great choice for a family daysailor. Dislikes: it's not exactly the most exciting boat out on the water. In many ways it handles more like a keelboat than a performance centerboard dinghy. I guess this isn't a criticism so much as a statement of my own preference for more um ... sporty ... boats. If you're coming from a hobie-cat background, you might find the CL-16 kinda tame. It's definitely at the opposite end of the spectrum from a Hobie Cat. IP: 141.211.30.228 |
bobc
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posted August 23, 2004 12:34 PM
Likes:
Stable, roomy , comfortable.Dislikes open cell foam floatation in older models. I come from and still sail a Laser , so yes its slower and not as exciting. But I look at this boat as my SUV and the laser as a sports car. They both have there place. If you are looking for a dry stable, day sailer its a great boat. Mine has a steel center board so its like a rock when it comes to stablity but yes she is a wee bit slooooww. ------------------
Bob Crowley
Luna #486 IP: 66.251.26.209 |
Canadian Sailor
unregistered
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posted August 23, 2004 08:58 PM
dislike aft-boom mainsheeting, gets in way of tiller, though it does allow the main to be reefed or rolled up w/out ripping.'s a bit heavy too. All my likes have been previously stated. ------------------
Canadian Sailor ;)
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you
criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." IP: 216.209.138.6 |
lholland
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posted August 25, 2004 02:59 PM
Likes - I haven't flipped it yet.Dislikes - Won't be able to take the wife and baby for a sail anytime soon. You can center sheet the main. That's how mine is set up. IP: 136.2.1.153 |
Roger
Member
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posted August 25, 2004 07:55 PM
Perhaps I can lure you to my Daysailer IIHere are the comparative performance fiqures:
DS II CL16
disp/lwl 63 50
hull speed 5.36 5.16
sa/disp 33.55 44.17
lwl/beam 2.56 2.44
motion comfort 4.74 3.33
capsize ratio 3.01 3.4
pounds/in sink 357 322 Displacement to LWL: A medium value would be 200. 300 would be high (Heavy Cruising Boat) and 100 would be low (Ultra Light Displacement-ULDB). Boats with low numbers are probably uncomfortable and difficult to sail.
Hull Speed: This is the maximum speed of a displacement hull. Some racers and lighter boats are able to achieve greater speed by lifting over the bow wave and riding on top of the water,that is, planing.
Sail Area to Displacement: The sail area is the total of the main sail and the area of the front triangle. I cannot be sure that this datum was entered correctly for each listed boat. A racing boat typically has large sail area and low displacement. A number less than 13 probably indicates that the boat is a motorsailer. High performance boats would be around 18 or higher.
LWL to Beam: A medium value would be 2.7. 3.0 would be high and 2.3 would be low
Motion Comfort: Range will be from 5 to 60+ with a Whitby 42 at the mid 30's. The higher the number the more comfort in a sea. This figure of merit was developed by the Yacht designer Ted Brewer and is meant to compare the motion comfort of boats of similar size and types.
Capsize Ratio: A value less than 2 is considered to be relatively good; the boat should be relatively safe in bad conditions. The higher the number above 2 the more vulnerable the boat. This is just a rough figure of merit and controversial as to its use.
Pounds per Inch Immersion: The weight required to sink the yacht one inch. If the boat is in fresh water multiply the result by 0.975. If you know the beam at the waterline (BWL) multipy the result by BWL/Beam. This information courtesy of http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html#2 I apologize in advance of trying to lure you away from a host site. I am sure the CL 16 is a perfect boat for you, if that is what you are looking for.
IP: 216.55.218.148 |
Bob
unregistered
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posted August 31, 2004 10:17 AM
Bought a CL16! We're sailing Labour day weekend. She's complete with all the toys inc. spinacher & trapeze. I don't have the furling jib but will look to add one. Are they worth it???? Thanks for all your replies. It was your replies which led to a test sail & buy CL16. Yes she's much slower then my old Hobie 17...but then so am I at 54. Its going to be nice not to have to put up with the fire hose in the face that I used to get from my Hobie 17. I'm up to the spinacher challenge. IP: 192.75.48.150 |
townsend_
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posted August 31, 2004 12:15 PM
A roller furling jib will save you two or three minutes when you rig and unrig, assuming that you can keep the boat in or near the water with the mast up. If you're trailering, I don't know that it saves any time at all.The other advantage is that it's easy to shorten sail by rolling up the jib. Just remember to do it *before* the wind picks up so much that you're really overpowered. IP: 141.211.30.228 |
Shortstay
Member
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posted August 31, 2004 01:39 PM
Congratulations, Bob. Welcome to the club!But don't forget Groucho Marx's advice: "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member!"  ------------------
Kevin
Shortstay III, #901 IP: 198.115.167.11 |
skategoat
unregistered
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posted August 31, 2004 04:37 PM
Bob:I'm in the market for a used CL16. I'd appreciate knowing what you paid to help me gauge the correct pricing. Email me privately if you prefer. skategoat25 @ yahoo.ca
IP: 209.167.159.20 |
