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Topic: hope to own a 565
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workman
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posted January 30, 2005 11:02 AM
   
hello . any information on pricing for a
1982 sandpiper? i realize prices are
subjective (and regional) im just looking
for a guide . also are the aft flotation chambers empty or foam filled. there was one port and starb. between the 1/4 berth and the rear storage compartment. the boat i looked at had some deiaminatin on the bulk head hull joint (cabinside). thanx for any help mike
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whited
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posted January 30, 2005 11:27 AM
Be prepared to pay $5k for a nice one....more for a creampuff. If you understand a bit of french, check the Quebec sites. A lot of nice looking later models are offered there for a bit more money.
Do a search on "sandpiper 565"IP: 142.177.33.151 |
Eric
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posted January 30, 2005 02:02 PM
Hi Mike, sent you a PM! I checked my mail before I came here  .Don, he's done the search, because he found me on another forum, and this forum on his own . Mike, can you describe this delam on the bulkead. I'm curious as to how it happened, or if there was a water leak. Was the boat left open to the elements? I can't remember off hand, but is there wood in the bulkhead? Prices on Sailquest.com are around $4500-5500, for a ballpark figure. These prices are very subjective. Good well equipped 'pipers command much more money, $6-6500 comes to mind. I've seen Quebec boats listed for more, but they seem to ask more for all boat models. I forgot to mention in the email to go over the trailer. Eric [This message has been edited by Eric (edited January 30, 2005).] IP: 64.228.0.162 |
Hyprstitch
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posted January 30, 2005 02:29 PM
If you can find one in the in the States you can steal it. I bought mine in LA for $1900 with a 2.2 Honda 4 stroke motor, on a trailer. And It is a nice boat.
No one here knows what they are. I bet I may have the only in Colorado and surrounding states. [This message has been edited by Hyprstitch (edited January 31, 2005).] IP: 198.81.26.106 |
elmet3
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posted January 30, 2005 10:29 PM
You won't get one for $1900 CDN or US in Michigan. I suspect the $4500-$5500 CDN range would be about the same prices in Michigan after exchange rate, but can be higher for good boat with extra sails, etc. We are actually relatively close to where the boats were made, and I have seen several of them here. I have also talked to several previous owners, never heard a bad comment about the Sandpiper.IP: 68.248.42.141 |
Hyprstitch
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posted January 31, 2005 02:06 AM
The guy I bought my boat from said the only people interested were people from Canada, they just could not make the trip to San diego to buy and pickup the boat. I got lucky. My wife thought I was nuts when I told her I was going to San Diego to buy it. 1100 miles from Denver. 19 hour drive there, bought the boat, stayed the night, and a longer drive back. It was late October. That December had a 53 degree day and took the boat out to Carter Lake sailing as I could not wait till spring. That was over 5 years ago. Ive made a nice boat better. And I'm waiting for spring to go sailing once again. No one would be able to buy this boat from me for $1900. I've put an interior in it, GPS, Depth sounder, new Trailer, New Suzuki 4 stroke, refinished the teak,Mast raising System, and a Lot of TLC. Sid [This message has been edited by Hyprstitch (edited January 31, 2005).] IP: 64.12.117.13 |
Eric
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posted January 31, 2005 10:06 AM
Mike, if you look in the archives here somewhere, there are some pics of Sid's boat. He has customized the interior, with upholstery, and it looks GREAT! His boat would definately command a higher price, in this part of the country!Sid's boat, and other's here, show how much you can do with a Sandpiper, to make it unique to your type of sailing, and comfort. They can be an excellent cottage boat, mini cruiser, daysailor, or weekend trailer sailor. Whatever you want to do, the Sandpiper can accomodate your need [except for long term liveaboard  ]. I sound like a salesman!  Cheers, Eric [This message has been edited by Eric (edited January 31, 2005).] IP: 216.209.109.47 |
whited
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posted January 31, 2005 10:12 AM
Better be careful, Cody may offer you a job.IP: 142.177.33.151 |
whited
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posted January 31, 2005 10:19 AM
here's an example of one of the more expensive 'Pipers for sale... http://www.voile.org/fiches/EBAT2504.HTM IP: 142.177.33.151 |
whited
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posted January 31, 2005 10:31 AM
Talk about deja vue....I scrolled down the following site and found my boat's ad. http://www.yachting.qc.ca/puces/PuceVoilierVendu025.htm
note: scroll way down to April 13 2004....vendu (sold) May 14
original price was $6500.00 but seller dropped it to $5000.00 when surveyor found 'elevated levels of moisture' in wood parts. (I checked and got Tom of CL's advice
before buying)[This message has been edited by whited (edited January 31, 2005).] IP: 142.177.33.151 |
piper576
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posted January 31, 2005 11:45 AM
I paid $3500 for my 1975 with trailer, It needed a little TLC but a great little sailboat if you have safety in mind but not speed.If its any type of speed your after, look at another model but for ease of sail and shallow waters I think they are great!!!
Bob IP: 216.209.120.164 |
workman
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posted January 31, 2005 01:34 PM
hello . on the port side looking back(aft)
under the storage compartment ,there is a water tight compartment .it has plywood
ends that are glassed to the hull . aprox. 1/2 of this had pulled away from the hull .
there is no sign of an impact on the out side or of any stress . apperantly it hase been like it for some time . the boat has been well looked after and i saw no signs of water damage . it looks like an easy fix . but i am worried of the cause . it seems to be fairly priced but as is the way , it,s a little more than i have saved . finding a good sailboat in sask. is like finding hens teeth .
thanx mikeMike, can you describe this delam on the bulkead. I'm curious as to how it happened, or if there was a water leak. Was the boat left open to the elements? I can't remember off hand, but is there wood in the bulkhead?
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workman
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posted January 31, 2005 01:42 PM
hi this to all that have posted so far . thanx . you have all been very helpful . i feel better about the price as it is more than i had been planing to spend . the boat is original 1 st. owner well taken care of
but with no extras to speak of . it would be my first sailboat and i would like to get a good one . any more advice is greatly appreciated .by the way you all seem to have a good site here.
thanx mikeIf its any type of speed your after, look at another model but for ease of sail and shallow waters I think they are great!!!
Bob[/B][/QUOTE] IP: 69.11.44.124 |
workman
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posted January 31, 2005 01:42 PM
hi this to all that have posted so far . thanx . you have all been very helpful . i feel better about the price as it is more than i had been planing to spend . the boat is original 1 st. owner well taken care of
but with no extras to speak of . it would be my first sailboat and i would like to get a good one . any more advice is greatly appreciated .by the way you all seem to have a good site here.
thanx mikeIf its any type of speed your after, look at another model but for ease of sail and shallow waters I think they are great!!!
Bob[/B][/QUOTE] IP: 69.11.44.124 |
Eric
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posted January 31, 2005 07:29 PM
Interesting about the delamination. I now have a better understanding of the problem. I wonder how that could have happened. Did the current owner offer any clues?
I don't think it would be hard to repair though. A little epoxy and some cloth should do the trick. I think Superpiper is the [just recently nominated ] fibreglass expert among us should you have questions  Best of luck with the purchase Mike! Eric [This message has been edited by Eric (edited January 31, 2005).] IP: 130.63.85.93 |
Ken
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posted February 02, 2005 11:49 AM
In my opinion, the most likely cause of water coming into the boat is insufficient winter boat covering.
The cockpit seat drains are easily plugged by ice, resulting in excessive rainwater accumulating along the rear of the lazarette cover. This water floods into the laz and it's not uncommon to find it full to the top with water when you uncover for spring. Over the Winter and early Spring the water will migrate through the front of the boat, especially if the trailer's tongue isn't jacked up sufficiently to keep the bow higher than the stern. ShortWave has a manual bilge pump to clear this storage area during the sailing season. The boat and it's cockpit must be totally covered with a good quality winter tarp....no pinholes!------------------
"Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic
And amateurs built the Ark." IP: 141.117.228.250 |
whited
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posted February 02, 2005 01:10 PM
I agree Ken. When I went to buy my 'Piper, it had a fair amount of water in the lazarette, and the drain holes were plugged with debris. [This message has been edited by whited (edited February 02, 2005).] IP: 142.177.33.151 |
Eric
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posted February 03, 2005 07:24 PM
I was surfing around the http://www.boatforsale.org/class/ website. Look under Sailboats under 20 feet. Scroll down to the Sandpiper listings, and get a look at this beautie! It's top dollar, but seems to be very good value!
Look at the pics: http://www.harrisphotos.ca/sailboat/ [This message has been edited by Eric (edited February 03, 2005).] [This message has been edited by Eric (edited February 03, 2005).] IP: 130.63.85.93 |
whited
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posted February 03, 2005 08:33 PM
that is a nice looking boat. I do like the dark blue hull. What an impressive list of sails and equipment! (assuming all are in good shape)IP: 142.177.33.151 |
workman
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posted February 04, 2005 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by whited:
that is a nice looking boat. I do like the dark blue hull. What an impressive list of sails and equipment! (assuming all are in good shape)
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Ken
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posted February 04, 2005 01:24 PM
Is looks like a lovely boat. I think that D'Arcy will agree that except for spinnake and autopilot, ShortWave was more extensively equipped for about the same cost.
http://www.vaxxine.com/clsailboats/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000310.html IP: 141.117.228.250 |
workman
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posted February 04, 2005 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by workman:
sorry about previous post ? 5000.00 to 6000.00 seems to be the norm . i just have to make a finacial decision . as to its storage. it sat for 2 years , was well tarped and dry as a bone . no ice no mold . does any one know if the flotation chambers are foam filled ? this delamination is the only concern i have with the boat . its a day out to look again . the more i look into the sandpiper the more i think it might be the right boat . please send money .!!!! IP: 216.174.134.60 |
Ken
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posted February 04, 2005 01:34 PM
Mike:
The chambers are indeed filled with foam. I carved out lots of foam wehen I installed the Thetford MSD head. There was some water next to the hull but I don't know whether the foam absorbs water or not. IMHO, it isn't a dealbreaker. Most everything on andpipers is easily repairable, a warped aft bulkhead, if it's now dry, isn't the end of the world.IP: 141.117.228.250 |
workman
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posted February 04, 2005 01:58 PM
yes .its amazing how much water foam will hold. that would probably explain what i saw i think you are right about the repair .i guess i was more concerned about why it may have occured . thanx mike
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Originally posted by Ken:
Mike:
The chambers are indeed filled with foam. I carved out lots of foam wehen I installed the Thetford MSD head. There was some water next to the hull but I don't know whether the foam absorbs water or not. IMHO, it isn't a dealbreaker. Most everything on andpipers is easily repairable, a warped aft bulkhead, if it's now dry, isn't the end of the world.
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