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Topic: anti-capsize
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rbedard
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posted April 27, 2004 12:43 PM
 
Last year I had a capsize accident that resulted in a broken mask on my cl 16. It was my first year sailing. I went sailing with my friend (first sail without my father). I was not fast enough upon capzising and the mast got stuck in the mud. This resulted in three hours in the cold water waiting to be rescued. Later I was rescued by a motor boat pulling on the jib sheet. So a few days later we fixed(welded) the mask as a temporary solution and bought a new mast. Anyway now for this season we are planning to fabricate a anti-capsize device on top of the mask. propably with smimming noodle thing. Not to mention capsize drills in controled settings. Have you heard of anti-capsize solutions before.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.Thanks
Rémi IP: 205.211.30.12 |
rbedard
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posted April 27, 2004 12:50 PM
Sorry what I mean is a anti-turtle. Not anti-capsize. Anti-capsize is more experience.IP: 205.211.30.14 |
Tom D CL16
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posted April 27, 2004 02:00 PM
 
Some folks who do a lot of cruising with Wayfarers/CL16 have a floatation sewn into the top of the sail. Some what like a pocket for a batten. I you search for the Wayfarer site you can find more info. I thought the mast on the CL boats were foam filled. If you are in heavy air you may just want to attach a life vest or pool noodle to the mast.
I have never dumped my CL16 but came close once. I should as we all should tip our boats over intentionally to find the point of no return. Also we could determine if the boat turtles.
Experience and keeping a hand on the mainsheet is a very good capsize preventer.
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Eric
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posted April 27, 2004 06:24 PM
I've seen Hobie Cats with a float on top of the mast to prevent turtling. Perhaps searching this may help.Eric,
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Sunday Sailor
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posted April 27, 2004 07:08 PM
Anti turtling devices are not uncommon. Here's a link to the fusion 15 sailboat web site with a description of their system.
http://www.fusion15.com/ In any system, you need to be careful about adding weight near the top of the mast. The trick is to keep the floatation as light as possible while still achieving sufficient buoyancy to prevent turtling.
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rbedard
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posted April 27, 2004 08:17 PM
Thanks for all your help you guys.
I just want to note that my mast did contained foam, but it still turtled quite rapidly about 20-30 secondes.)
The fusion 15 system seems like the ideal.
If it is too expensive I will experiment with other cheaper methods.Did anyone else had the experience of capsizing a cl 16 and then righting it. Thank You
Rémi
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piper576
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posted April 27, 2004 11:04 PM
I used to roll my CL14 all the time - smile - most of the time because I wanted to get my guests wet or quiet. You are right they to turtle quite fast but I found it very easy to right and the positive bouyancy was great many times I sat and bailed out a full cockpit - again mostly just to do as I had a self-bailer as Im sure you do.. I sail in deap waters most times so I have never got my mast stuck in the bottom but I dont think windage at the top of the mast would work better than a little more weight added to the centerboard and a looser grip on the main halyard . IP: 216.209.120.182 |
Darcy
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posted April 28, 2004 01:02 AM
I'm not sure on CLs but some boats turtle quite easily because of the weight of the crew on the hull. When the boat is lying mast 90 degrees to the water and your up on the high side; you may be inadvertently pulling the boat over. It's often better to fall in the water (making sure of course that you don't fall on the sail).If your running and do a death role, try to pull the main in as you go over (Sometimes easier said than done). The sail lying flat on the water stops the boat from turtling (instead of cutting into the water). D'Arcy IP: 67.68.49.18 |
Canadian Sailor
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posted April 28, 2004 05:05 PM
The Hunter 140s at my sailing camp have cut out noodle attached to the shrouds on either side of the mast to prevent turtling.The efficiency of this system is questionable though. ------------------
Canadian Sailor ;)
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Robert D
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posted April 29, 2004 01:26 AM
Last summer I performed an indepth controlled capsize drill with my CL16 "Celtic Kiss". After making many attempts to capsize the boat, I had to pull on the main halyard from the shoreline while the boat was anchored, I concluded that the boat is extremely stable, is easy to right after a capsize and with a bit of effort the cockpit is best bailed out by using a regular size bailing scoop. My bailer is a vinegar bottle cut to be used as a scoop. I also have a sponge to get the water that won't go in the scoop. During my trials I let the boat float on it's side for 30 minutes and showed no signs of turtling, in fact the hull rested quite high in the water and only minimal amounts came in over the half submerged gunwale. I am extremely pleased with my results. I have seen a CL16 with the Hobie "Bob" attached to the mast and I have seen sailing schools use a volley ball in a net that is attached to the top of the mast. I would also think that something as simple as a fender attached to the top of a topping lift would be adequate for floatation. Robert
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Summermemories
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posted April 29, 2004 01:06 PM
Capsized my CL14 following an accidental series of jibes last summer.I was concerned about not wanting to turn turtle, so I swam an extra life-jacket to the head of the mast before returning to the centerboard to right the boat. There was no sign of the boom sinking in the 30 seconds it took me to swim out, but I wanted to play it safe. Not too much water was taken on in the process, although I was lucky that the boat fell to the side opposite my outboard (leaving it out of the water and dry on the high side). I righted the boat, bailed, and returned to shore. Lots of laughter from the beach made me look-up and realize the lifejacket was still at the top of the mast. Sort of a flag letting the world know I took a spill... 
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