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Topic: To Reef or Not to Reef
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Shortstay Member
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posted November 11, 2005 02:13 PM
... to corrupt Shakespeare.A few threads back we were talking about sail size & being overpowered and such, and I thought about that when I saw today's "Quote of the Day" at BoatUS's homepage: quote: Men often ask when it is time to reef. It is always time to reef when you think it is. The moment you would feel easier and your boat handles better by having less sail spread is the time to shorten down. - Thomas Fleming Day
------------------ Kevin Shortstay III, #901 [This message has been edited by Shortstay (edited November 12, 2005).] IP: 198.115.167.39 |
Shortstay Member
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posted November 11, 2005 05:33 PM
For those of you, including me, who don't know who Thomas Fleming Day is, he should be considered one of our patron saints! He was the founder and first editor of The Rudder Magazine for Yachtsmen, started in 1891. According to Day, his magazine was “a well-rounded bilgeful of dogmatic advice, arbitrary opinion, clever devices and methods—the sort of thing that you are always meaning to paste in your hat.” Sounds like our kind of guy! You can still get a collection of articles from that magazine, The Rudder Treasury: A Companion for Lovers of Small Craft. Editor, Tom Davin said of Day that he “inspired the building of thousands of small boats across the country and encouraged the formation of small yacht clubs to make readers for The Rudder.” Without Day, it is quite possible that yachting would still be an exclusive pastime of the very wealthy. Instead, zillions of small boaters can say today that “the sea is the great equalizer." Here's more info. IP: 198.115.167.42 |
2short S565 Member
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posted November 11, 2005 08:38 PM
hmmm..... For me, I decide it is time to reef long after I should have. But thats just me. I think I need sailing lessons.  IP: 67.68.136.44 |
Eric Member
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posted November 13, 2005 07:44 PM
If your reefing system is easy to use, you may reef more often . I was out sailing this weekend. We sailed out on a broad reach, and returned close hauled. It wasn't long after we were returning, that my crew and I realized a reef would be more comfortable for the return journey. We hove to, had a pee and a breather, set my slab reef, fell off and carried on. We had a least the same speed or better, and we were'nt on our ear 
 Please excuse the dirty boat  Our heading is between the set of condos on the left(Barrie waterfront). Eric
[This message has been edited by Eric (edited November 13, 2005).] IP: 206.172.171.143 |
Darcy Member
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posted November 13, 2005 09:03 PM
High Eric: Just my opinion, but you might try moving your fairead back a bit in the heavier stuff. It would open up that curling leech. D'ArcyIP: 67.70.90.163 |
Eric Member
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posted November 13, 2005 09:16 PM
I'm glad you noticed that D'Arcy! I used to run the sheet on the outside of the shroud. I would get alot of flutter in the leach when close hauled. Then I decided to run the sheet inside, and instead of hardening the sheet all the way, I would sheet in the lazy sheet alittle bit, to close the slot. I was trying to achieve the Barber Hauler effect, you described to me a few years ago. The flutter in the jib's leach went away, but I'm not so sure the trim is just right. I must put telltales on my jib to be sure. Next time, (6 months from now ) I'll try as you suggest, and see if my performance changes. Thank you for your tutelage . EricIP: 64.228.1.123 |
Michel unregistered
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posted November 14, 2005 03:56 PM
Hey Eric! Funny how pictures can be alike sometimes!...
 One of my last "sorties" at the end of september on the St-Laurent river. (Near Sorel)IP: 70.50.125.231 |
Roger Member
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posted November 14, 2005 09:28 PM
I always wondered why my pictures looked so much like each other while I was on my boat, and finally, it dawned on me that there are only so many places you can stand or sit to take a picture from... now if I can only figure out a way to get that camera to the top of the mast and pointing downward before the timer goes off...The obvious answer of course would be a camera with an remote, but if I could afford that, I could also afford a bigger boat, then I'd want a shot from a helicopter, ahhh the wants never cease. IP: 216.55.197.64 |
whited unregistered
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posted November 14, 2005 11:36 PM
Sail under a bridge and have a buddy up above take your picture.IP: 142.167.230.201 |
Shortstay Member
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posted November 15, 2005 12:42 PM
But make sure there's enough clearance!  IP: 198.115.167.29 |
whited unregistered
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posted November 15, 2005 03:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Shortstay: But make sure there's enough clearance! 
For sure...our two harbour bridges give about 165 feet clearance at low tide. IP: 142.167.230.201 |
elmet3 Member
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posted November 15, 2005 05:29 PM
But it's high tide that you have to worry about.
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Darcy Member
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posted November 15, 2005 08:20 PM
I thought I was pretty good at yachting terminology until I saw a number of Euorpean boats using the term "air draft". What the heck was air draft? Answer: That's the height of your boat from waterline to top of mast or sometimes top of cabin when the mast is down. Rivers and canals usually have a set "air draft" height on all their bridges. The older routes like the Midi Canal in France, built in the mid 1600s has a very low air draft. If your boat with mast down is low enough to do it though, it would save you the hassle of sailing around Spain to get from the Atlantic to Mediteranean. As an aside; sailing around Spain is much easier now then when Louis XIV commissioned the canal. The Spaniards were not too fond of French boats then. D'Arcy, Shortwave IP: 67.70.90.163 |
Roger Member
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posted November 15, 2005 11:32 PM
Whited, thanks for the bridge perspective advice. Unfortunately here on the prairies there are no bridges that high. The Red River in Winnipeg may have bridges that would allow a sailboat underneath. There are some higher cliffs where I sail though, so perhaps perching my photographer, with a telephoto lens atop as I do a sailby might get me the high angle. IP: 216.55.196.222 |
Fred Member
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posted December 29, 2005 02:05 AM
Thomas Fleming Day was also the designer of the Seabird Yawl, at 26 feet one of a very few small ocean cruisers of her time. Seabird could be built by an amateur, with fixed keel or centreboard.Day built one and wrote a series of articles about the building in Rudder, then sailed her to Europe. I had a Seabird. It was one of the handiest boats to sail I've ever been on. Jib and "jigger" (the small sail aft) made a very easy heavy weather rig. Main alone for a bit more breeze. From anchor, I could hoist the jigger, which would sail me up toward the anchor until there was enough slack to pull some in, then she'd sail up again, etc. until the anchor was free. Then she'd point right into the wind while I hoisted the self tending jib. With jib and jigger I could short tack out of the anchorage and hoist the main when I got out in the clear. A fellow named Harry Pigeon built a larger version of Seabird and sailed single handed around the world about the same time as Joshua Slocum on Spray. IP: 24.64.223.203 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted December 29, 2005 05:08 AM
On the topic of when to reef:On ocean racers, with canting keels or water ballast, it is not an issue of too much sail but rather an issue of not enough righting moment. So, put the beer cooler on the windward side and go faster. IP: 69.156.0.94 |
Darcy Member
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posted December 29, 2005 09:24 AM
The Seabird is a beautiful little boat. I believe you can still order the plans from Wooden Boat magazine. It would be a marvellous backyard project.If you have a high tech ocean racer or a boat that planes easily, extra ballast works. The flatter boat just keeps accelerating. On our fine craft, it's a different scenerio. With the exception of surfing down waves, you can't really go much faster than your maximum hull speed. When you're over-canvased and ballasted things will just begin to break (masts, rudders, etc.) The trick is to keep the boat driving at its' maximum hull speed. We've found that often means reefed. You'll be going as fast as you can and be doing it in comfort and control. D'Arcy, Shortwave IP: 67.68.49.38 | |