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Richard
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posted June 20, 2005 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard   Click Here to Email Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other than taking a couple of courses 3 years ago, the only sailing I've done is on our Sandpiper.Things go fine unil the wind and waves really pickup. Then I have to decide whether to just keep sailing, sail with main alone, or quit sailing and motor through the rough stuff. Any advise or tips on sailing a Sandpiper in rougher conditions?

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CoolBreeze
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posted June 20, 2005 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoolBreeze   Click Here to Email CoolBreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny you should just post this, I had my Piper in 10+ish kt winds and 2 meter swells this weekend. The one word of advise: PATIENCE. It is "sailable" if you have the time. I am speaking in terms of going upwind, which of course is the most difficult.

I was going downwind for quite some time it these conditions, and had no issues. It was also my forst time trying my new whisker pole - what a difference. Flying wing on wing, I was hitting 6 kts. It was great, the boat loved it.

Upwind, different story, the tide was going out (same direction as the wind) so I was battling two evils. My pointing ablility was severly affected. This is when patience comes in. When tacking, you need to leave your sails loose for a longer time, then trim them in. If you tack, then trim tightly, the boat will round as the wind overpowers it. (I hope I am making sense here). So, tack, loose sails, then trim in slowly and let the boat finds its best point, then trim to that. That will be the best you will do with the boat. As much as one would be tempted to run tight, the boat may not want to point with it, and this will only cause you frustration. I didn't have my main reefed, and had my main Jib up. (which by the way, is factory but not a true 150%, it is only a 125%, I measured it). I know, that if I had of put the blade up (storm jib) my pointing ability would have drastically increased, I just wanted to feel the boat out first. So, I would have put my blade up, full main - outcome probably would have been, increased pointing ability, full main would have given me the power to overcome the waves and small swells without overpowering the boat. Even with the larger jib, I was able to trim my main quite well so that the boom was at centre (where it should be) so with the smaller jib, I would have been able to hold the full main as well, just with increase pointing.

Another important factor, weight on the boat. Or the transfer of that weight. Being a smaller boat, the Piper is very sensitive when comes to weight. Any more than the magic 15 degrees, and its a no-go. Having enough people on board in the proper places to offset the force of the wind will help. I'll often have two of us in the cockpit, and one sitting on the table in the middle. She's a light boat which is why things like tide and current affect it so much.

So, in closing my rambling ( I may be boring people) now that I've had the boat in the water a couple months cruising and racing it, I am getting to know her. I only speak of my experiences and don't claim to know it all. Just offering what I have done.

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Rob Belliveau
1976 Sandpiper 565
"CoolBreeze"
Halifax NS
Dartmouth Yacht Club

[This message has been edited by CoolBreeze (edited June 20, 2005).]

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Shortstay
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posted June 20, 2005 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shortstay   Click Here to Email Shortstay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've sailed in rougher conditions on LI Sound off CT. We've sailed both with a smaller jib & main and main only. My wife freaks when we heel, so I depower the main quite a bit. Sailing downwind is quite alot of fun! In one instance, 2+ hours of close hauling was covered in about 35 minutes returning downwind!

I will also pass on that Cody told us one of the reasons the Piper isn't manufactered anymore is because it's so well built, it would cost as much to produce as boats much larger. It was designed to Lloyd's Standards to sail on the English Channel. That's tells you quite alot!

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Kevin
Shortstay III, #901

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Darcy
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posted June 21, 2005 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sandpipers do not have a very deep centreboard so keeping the boat level is critical. Once you get the speed up after a tack you can start to work the boat up but not too much. Power wins over close pointing.

While getting a bit of maintenance on our sails , I had a chance to talk with "Shortwave's" sail maker Hyder Funck. He couldn't recall the exact boat but apparently a centreboard boat (might have been a Sandpiper or maybe a Siren) capsized a number of years ago. Apparently caused quite a stir at the yacht club as most people think they can't go over.

So, in heavy stuff, sail cautiously. Keep it flat. I'd recommend not raising the centreboard while reaching or running. In the event of a capsize you will find the centreboard very useful in righting the boat.

D'Arcy

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Windroos
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posted June 23, 2005 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Windroos   Click Here to Email Windroos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
My experience with Piper date since 1983.

44k wind. 2 reefs in the main and no sail at the front. It sail very well. No sense of sailing to inclined. Do not force the boat. Let it breath and it will be very happy.

I noticed over the years that on rough weather and high seas, the main only goes as fast as the boat can handle and it is much easier on the crew and the Piper.

I just love riding the waves and I always feel confident when rig that way. The info on letting the keel down is a good one. Don't take the chance because you'll find yourself lying on the side pretty fast.

The only time I raise it, it is when I run for a long time on the motor. I keep about a quater out to stabilize the course.

By the way my new Yamaha 4 stroke 6 hp eat 1 liter an hour. Pretty happy with that.

Bye

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John
Quebec city
1981 Sandpiper 927

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Ken
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posted June 23, 2005 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken   Click Here to Email Ken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Experienced sailors know that on a long downwind or reaching leg, you can become lulled into complacency because of the lower relative (boat) wind. They often turn up closer to the wind for a short time and beat for a while. This gives one a better idea what the weather and wind is doing. This way you'll get some notice of the requirement for reefing, before you must turn upwind to navigate safely around an obstacle or to return to port. This protects you from the effect of rising winds while you were on a quieter downwind tack.

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Richard
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posted June 24, 2005 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard   Click Here to Email Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the tips and advise, we'll try to put them to good use this weekend

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