posted April 02, 2005 03:45 PM               

Finally, I traded last nite my 7.5 2 stroke for a 4 stroke 6hp F6 Yamaha. It's weight is 86 pounds. Economy was a bif factor in my decision since I will have to travel a lot of time against the current on the St Lawrence.

200cc against 138cc for the same hp ans 2 cylinders were also a factor.

Do you think that the original 1982 motor mount on the piper will do the job? The 7.5 was 63 pounds.

Any info or suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

John

posted April 05, 2005 03:40 PM               

BTW -- You have the closest hull number to ours (901, '81 model) that I've seen posting here. Hello, cousin!

posted April 05, 2005 04:07 PM               

S/V Paradise
Sandpiper 565, #144

Congrats on the new motor! Sorry, I don't have an answer on the mount.

Eric

posted April 05, 2005 06:39 PM               

Whited, I will only be driving 12 miles then to the marina. I even think about placing the motor in the car.

Has anybody has their boat near the house and the outboard bracket uncover. I would like to know the brand (probably Fulton) and the model number on the frame. Mine is so far away and completely cover.

Shortstay, I used to own 913 and now I moved up 14 digits. What a coďncidence.

If I disreagard the weight, is a 6hp 4 stroke more powerfull than a 2 stroke ? Some brackets are only made for 4 stroke. Just can't seem to get things untangled. Dealers just don't know anything themself.

All together will find an answer.

Thanks

posted April 05, 2005 09:01 PM               

I'll go with the pict if it is not too much to ask from you.

You were right in the above message when you wrote about the road in Quebec. They are really in a mess. Last year I had to tied the engine very tightly to the back of the boat in order to avoid moving it in bumps.

Maybe we sould raise the taxes and get some new roads. =8-)

My 913 had a Mercury 9.9 in 1983 and went fine. The 4 stroke question is still valid.

Thanks again.

p.s: did you get my reply the 3rd april about the needle bearing in your mailbox? Anyway I'll posted here just in case...
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Thanks for your kind words Don.

You are rignt,the second nut has the cotter pin. The first one has the
hardenned pin (I got 50 of them). As far as the bearing, I replaced the
original with 2 small one separated by washers. This is much better in my
opinion. Needles bearing supporting over 1000 pounds each.

posted April 05, 2005 09:26 PM               

Mine came with 2 main sails. A gift I supposed or an error. Still in the bag.

Got myself a small one for the rought air and my genoa. The other piper had a spi. Was fun in the long day without too much wind.
Cheers

posted April 05, 2005 09:58 PM               

I guess I could also find you the brand and model of the bearings.

posted April 05, 2005 10:23 PM               

Ken was very diligent in maintaining the sails. North Sails did a wonderful job repairing and reinforcing worn thread, seams, etc. every season. You can also see some of the upgrades:
-Ultraviolet protective strip added to jib leach when the furler was installed.
-Luff slides added to luff of mainsail. Makes lowering sail a breeze as luff stays in mast.
-Slab reefing added to mainsail along with reefing points.

Just a reminder; if anyone has a used genaker or reaching chute (DRS?) We'd be very interested in purchasing it. As a past racer I still have a need for speed sometimes, even when cruising.

posted April 05, 2005 10:55 PM               

Yes I used to have a DRS. It has it's own bag. It was located on top of the sail and was used like a sock. I pulled on a string and up it went and I could used the sail. Strong wind, pull the other string and down into the bag.

A good setup, I even think about having one build for me. They must still have the plans for it here in Quebec at St Onge sailmaker.

It costed around 250$ in 83 if I can remember. I must have the bill in my file.

Tell me about your reefer please.

posted April 06, 2005 12:16 AM               

Darcy, you've been keeping that great picture hidden from us I don't think I've seen that one. Great pic!

My 'piper is a 1976, or so I was told. I just saw an add in the Super Shopper(Simcoe County) for a 1973 Sandpiper!! I'm thinking of phoning the seller just ask his sail number. Maybe it's #101 LOL!

posted April 06, 2005 06:56 AM               

Yes it seem important to have a database with as much possible info on Sandpiper.

Sail vs year and aprox location of owner. Type of engine and a field to include some remarks from the owner (at is dicretion)

Good thread indeed. Just getting harder to wait for the launching day.

Eric, I will phone the sailmaker in Quebec today and ask him about your question on reshaping.

Good day guys.

posted April 06, 2005 07:05 PM               

Thanks for the pictures. It is exactly like mine except for the plastic part. Mine is like Eric's, it is made of wood.

I should think that it's suitable for a 6hp 86 pounder 4 stroke.

Do you know the total travel from up to the down position. I've seen advertising for 4 stroke and they have different travel lenght. I should've ask you to mesured it just in case I follow my survival instinct and I order a bracket next week when I will receive the motor.

I'm so happy with this site. We're among a community of Sandpiper owner and we share a common passion. What a fun.

Eric, the wood on Paradis is absolutely beautifull. What do you use?

Whited, from the look of your transom, your boat look in perfect shape. What a pleasure to look at it.

I realize that there is not much people that have a flotation line (hope it is the correct word) How do you stop your VC17 when you put ani-fouling?

I did not have any time today to call the sailmaker, I will tomorrow and ask teh about the DRS.

Thanks again Whited and Eric, it is very appreciated. You all give me a chance to practice my english. Good for me.

posted April 06, 2005 08:27 PM               

I use Cetol Marine, and Cetol Gloss on my teak. The gloss "really kicks it up a notch"

The rub rails in the picture the post above are gone for good. They were some sort of vinyl or plastic the PO put on. He hated the teak, whereas I love it. I have some teak rails recovered from another Sandpiper I will be installing soon.

posted April 06, 2005 09:20 PM               

Thanks for the info on Cetol I'll use it this spring.

As for the sail, I will call him anyhow because I might be tempted. Hum!!! light air can be very frustrating on the ST Laurence, specially when you cannot jump overboard for a swim as you'd do on a lake.

Seing all those picts make you pray for summer to come.

Nite

posted April 06, 2005 09:31 PM               

It looks like you have reefing points on your sail already John. The slab reefing works very efficiently. There are two lines: One at the clew of the main (you can see it on the photo of Shortwave by the flag). It runs up from the end of the boom to the reef points, through a grommet, back down to the boom through a block then forward to a cleat near the gooseneck. The second line runs straight up the luff from the gooseneck, through a luff grommet and back down to a cleat.

To reef we usually go close-hauled and feather up slightly. After letting the main out (luffing), pull the clew reefing line. This will cause the boom to lift up until it's tight to the clew reef grommet. Cleat that line.

Next step is to let off the main halyard slowly. While doing this, pull in the luff reefing line. While doing this you will notice that the boom is lowering to its' usual horizontal position. The main has now been reefed. There is a fold of sail running along the boom. We usually tie it snug with two reef lines, but you don't have to. The sail will not billow out.

It sounds more confusing than it actually is. I do the whole maneuver while standing in the cabin on the centreboard. Although easier to do at the dock, we've reefed while sailing in excess of 20 knots of wind.

You could sail upwind in 20 knots, controlling the main by ragging in the gusts; but this can be tiring after a few hours. The reefed main depowers the rig nicely, eliminating excess healing. The boat goes faster flat, not healed. This is the first boat we've owned that has seats. It's very relaxing sitting in the comfortable Sandpiper cockpit driving to weather.

Do the process in reverse to shake out the reef. If the wind drops off slightly you'll find running or reaching a bit slow with the reduced sail area. Taking out the reef will keep you churning at maximum hull speed off the wind.

I hope this is understandable.

posted April 06, 2005 09:42 PM               

Yes I got 2 sets of reefing point on my sail. I used them a lot when it is very windy. Maybe your answer was for someone else on this subject. I liked reading it though. You'd make a great sailing teacher.

Ciao

posted April 06, 2005 10:00 PM               

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Rob Belliveau
1976 Sandpiper 565
"CoolBreeze"
Halifax NS
Dartmouth Yacht Club

[This message has been edited by CoolBreeze (edited April 06, 2005).]

posted April 06, 2005 10:42 PM               

I'll check the las page on the manual as suggested. My friend (the racer) to me to antifoul my boat because in a month it will be disaster. So VC17 and a good job of Cetol will trim her all right.

By the way, I see Whited that we got the same trailer. How do you like it? I had some guides welded to the side in order to align the boat when I took her out of the water. Even then, it's not perfect.

I've got a brand new polisher that's been sleeping in my garage for 2 years. Still in the box. I used my hand instead. Must do something with it this spring. The buffer in one hand and a good book on sailing in the other.

Coolbreeze, your pict is not showing. But I read:"My Honda 8 hp 4 stroke is amazing on fuel" Are you telling me you use a 8hp on the original bracket???? If so, you might be saving me 400$

Ciao

posted April 07, 2005 09:30 AM               

I've only been to Quebec City in the winter John. Spectacular views of ice flows moving in and out with the tide. It must beautiful sailing there (without the ice flows). Is the river saltwater at that point? If so you might just check to see if there is a saltwater formula VC-17.

Excellent photo Eric. Your boat is very ship shape. You've got me thinking about doing a little extra wood finishing this spring.

posted April 08, 2005 06:37 PM               

What a fine trailer you are looking at. Mine is a Nisco 1982 I guess. It has 16 rubber rollers and I would rather have the big wood planck cover with carpet instead of the rollers.

It is much easier to slide the boat and center it. I have no brakes and was planning to get some hydraulic. Since I will only travel 12 miles this summer, it will wait another year or so.

Darcy

Yes it is a magnificient place to sail in Quebec. The salt water is about 12 km from Quebec. They say than in 25 years it will reach the city. Not enough water coming from the great Lakes. We do have to check the tide all the time. It is pretty strong and you can fight against it. The wave gets pretty hign when wind are facing the current.

It is the the best time for me to get the IPOD in motion and place some Waltzes from Strauss. Try it you'll notice it goes well with the big waves. Kindda make you think he must wrote them in a sailboat.

Will be buying my new outboard bracket tomorrow morning. My motor is due in 1 one week. By the way, we had 15 cm of snow yesterday, shoot. Forecasting some warm weather for the next day. Hourrah!!!

Ciao

posted April 25, 2005 10:16 PM               

I bought a big bracket for this type of engine. A Victory, 115pounds max 25 hp 4 stroke. All stainless steel. A real beauty.
The bracket will go in 2 days. Will use a Teflon 12x12 x1/2 inches back plte on the transom. No wood to worry about.

I placed a mast head lamp and a one at mid mast to light the deck on arrival tonite.
Will take some pict and post them later on this week.

Can't wait to sail.

posted April 30, 2005 10:50 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by whited:
[B]I might be the 'baby' now D'Arcy.
My sail # is 1162. One of the guys had a more recent model but sold it.
B]

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That was probably me..... #1192
Its in Eastern Ontario now.

And by the way...I still haven't bought a new boat yet.