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windy island
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posted October 19, 2004 01:44 PM
   
Trailer ready to go
In Charleston Lake
Working jib but I keep forgetting to lift the motor
W on W at 1000 islands light breeze
 It was a good summer IP: 209.217.117.198 |
Eric
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posted October 19, 2004 02:44 PM
Great pics there! My favorite is the third picture, with the striped jib.Windy looks to be moving out  !! Thanks for posting! Eric IP: 130.63.85.93 |
Darcy
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posted October 19, 2004 06:15 PM
I've only had the boat out for a week but after looking at these great photos I miss sailing already.D'Arcy IP: 65.92.114.179 |
Shortstay
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posted October 19, 2004 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by windy island:
Working jib but I keep forgetting to lift the motor
Gotta get those fenders in too!  Thanks for posting those pix! IP: 198.115.167.22 |
SuperPiper
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posted October 20, 2004 06:29 AM
In the third photo (with striped jib) the bow is out of the water almost to the knuckle. And yet it lacks the monster bow wave. It looks like the 'piper is planing. How fast were you going? How windy was it? Is the motor running?IP: 69.156.2.233 |
windy island
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posted October 20, 2004 08:27 AM
The boat that took the photo was a Tanzer 22. That is one fast boat also I don't know all the tricks to get the best speed out of the Sandpiper. The wind was strong that's why I had the smaller working jib.When I was on the bow hooking on the sail, the waves were washing over deck. The motor wasn't on. Later in the day, the wind wasn't as strong so I went to the genoa and experimented with wing on wing sailing back.IP: 209.217.117.198 |
Ken
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posted October 20, 2004 10:44 AM
Great shots of your new Sandpiper. I noticed you have a split backstay and a masthead forestay. I eliminated both with excellent results. The backstay isn't part of the original fractional rigging plan. I found it was always in the way...especially when adjusting the outboard motor or steering. We also removed the masthead forestay....the jib would wrap around it when sailing downwind.
The simpler three point rigging plan with two shrouds and a fractional forestay with roller furling works very well. I'm sure that D'Arcy would agree. ------------------
"Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic
And amateurs built the Ark." IP: 141.117.228.250 |
windy island
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posted October 20, 2004 12:36 PM
These are very good points. I’ll experiment with this in the spring. You’re so right about the backstay getting in the way. I also use it as a topping lift when my sail is down, but could easily put the topping lift back on.
Now I’m anxious to try sailing with just the furler without the forestay. The boat came with a large beautiful looking sail. I gave the dimensions to Cody and he told me it was called a gennaker (sp?) (Half genoa half spinnaker)It has a sock. I have to figure out how to use this sail. I’m told I need to fasten the lower end of the sail to the forestay; apparently it rides up and down on the forestay. Then fasten the top of sail to the spinnaker line and work it as a large genoa with both lines leading to cockpit. I’ll need someone on board with experience when I try this one.Ken is your new boat trailerable or will you start a month early and arrive at the gathering by water? Or will you rent, borrow or steal a Sandpiper for the occasion? You know you have to be there, don’t you.
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Eric
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posted October 20, 2004 12:37 PM
I agree with Ken on this. The backstay issue is one that I've contemplated many times. Yes It would be beneficial to the rig in heavy air. However there are drawbacks to everything, and Ken has mentioned them. This type of thing is what will make the Rendevous so interesting. We will be able to compare in person OPBs, and discuss likes and dislikes. We'll be able to see first hand how these mods were made, and see how well they perform. FYI, on the Trailer Sailor forum, a chap has posted a query about doing the same backstay mod to his Gloucester 19, which sounds like it's rigged similar to the Sandpiper. http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/trailersailor/index.cgi/read/369802 [This message has been edited by Eric (edited October 20, 2004).] IP: 64.228.0.71 |
windy island
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posted October 20, 2004 04:38 PM
What is meant when you refer to a fractional forestay?IP: 209.217.117.198 |
Eric
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posted October 20, 2004 07:48 PM
Fractional forestay, or fractional rig is when the forestay attaches to the mast 3/4, 7/8, or some other partial position up the mast. In other words it doesn't attach at the masthead( a masthead rig). Not sure if the shrouds follow the same pattern. It would probably make sense if they do.
I hope I've explained it correctly Eric
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windy island
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posted October 21, 2004 08:26 AM
I think I'll wait for the gaterhing and check out what I need for the fractional forestay, but in early spring I will try sailing without the backstay. Thanks everyone.IP: 209.217.117.198 |
whited
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posted October 21, 2004 09:40 PM
Windy Island....
I was just looking at your transom ladder. It looks similar to the one I ordered from Cl this summer but haven't installed.
How many rungs are under water when the ladder is down? I'm guessing only one.
Is it hard to climb up on?IP: 156.34.51.160 |
SuperPiper
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posted October 22, 2004 12:37 PM
 This is the transom of hull #123: "Sapphire". I added individual backstays a few years ago to eliminate some pumping of the rig that I experienced in heavy wind. I like them. I have modified the maststep to allow the mast to rotate. The individual backstays help me to "tack" the mast when I come about. This boat has not been in the water this year. [This message has been edited by SuperPiper (edited October 22, 2004).] IP: 199.243.115.165 |
Eric
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posted October 22, 2004 01:09 PM
Whoa!! You've been busy!!I see the rudder is non stock. I like the way the top of the transom is cut. Nice lines. She's a good looking boat IMHO, at least from this view. D'Arcy, SuperP is going to owe time, LARGE, at the rendevous races Look at the purchase in those backstays!!
Rotating mast, yikes!! And that's all we know so far Superpiper, I hope you can come to Parry Sound next summer! I'd really like to see Sapphire!! Eric IP: 216.208.56.29 |
windy island
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posted October 22, 2004 02:54 PM
Whited, I ordered my new ladder this year from CL also. It works well. I'll lower it this weekend and take a picture. I think I have 2 rungs under the water. Getting back into the boat is easy now. I'm a 210 pounder
so it's a bit tough on the bottom of my feet. I wish I had wood on the rung. I think I'll try a piece of pipe insulation in the spring. It should make it better. Or I could loose some weight????? I play hockey 4 times a week. One would think I could slim dowm.
Sapphire definitely needs to attend the gathering. It looks great. So many ideas.
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Roger
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posted October 22, 2004 06:38 PM
Superpiper,WOW! How does the cutdown modification on the transom look from the cockpit and how does it blend with the lazerette cover/hinge? I am also interested in the reason for the cutaway. Was it improved access from the dock, looks only, weight reduction? I own a daysailer II and the aft quarter coamings (sp) are low enough that when heeled excessively, that area allows lake samples to come in. How is your modification with high following seas? IP: 216.55.223.16 |
windy island
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posted October 23, 2004 07:32 PM
Whited, with the ladder down there are 2 rungs below the water line. As you can see, I mounted mine high and it still works great.
I'll be sailing in the 1000 Islands tomorrow in my friend's Tanzer 22. The weather looks good.
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Eric
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posted October 23, 2004 08:27 PM
Goin for a frostbiter eh?!?! You're likely to be the only thing out there . Your ladder is great! More like 2.5 steps in the water. The previous owner cheaped out and went 3 step  with mine.
We're accustomed to it though! I'd like compliment you on a fine looking trailer! Just painted? And one last thing! I finally figured out your aft mast support, and it's genious!! Care to start a new thread, and share some finer details???  Eric [This message has been edited by Eric (edited October 23, 2004).] IP: 206.172.228.112 |
whited
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posted October 24, 2004 08:52 PM
Thanks Windy Island for the transom picture. (can we call you Windy?) :-)That looks like a perfect place to bolt the ladder on. IP: 156.34.51.160 |
