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Topic: Silly Question
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Canadian Sailor
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posted March 17, 2005 08:41 PM
 
I feel kinda... I dunno, I'm on the verge of saying irresponsible for asking this question, but... it's kinda popped into my mind a few times and I'd like to know your thoughts.My question is: If you had the main hallyard tied to the end of the boom, no sail up (obviously), could you attach a hammock to one end of the boom and around the mast without breaking anything? ------------------
Canadian Sailor ;)
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whited
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posted March 17, 2005 09:19 PM
That probably depends on what boat you do it on and how much you weigh. If I did it on a Cl 14 or 16......ka..boom!
If Eric or Sid put one of their kids on a hammock suspended from the boom of a Mirage 33..no problem. (at anchor)
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Dougster
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posted March 17, 2005 09:41 PM
 
Price of a new mast $780.00
Price of a new boom $300.00
Price of a new halyard $24.00
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2short S565
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posted March 18, 2005 12:11 AM
Actually I believe the only thing that would likely break on a Sandpiper would be the mast at the point where the forestay attaches. It would proably fail so quick under those rediculous conditions (depending on your weight fo course) that there would be no time for anything else to get loaded up enough.
Well you might also damage the cockpit floor as you pass thru it.  Just pull down on the boom with the topping line attached and you will se how easy the top of the mast deflects. IP: 70.48.166.138 |
Hyprstitch
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posted March 18, 2005 01:21 AM
My boat has cockpit cushions. Easy to lay down on and take a snooze. On a no wind day I have done just that.Sid IP: 207.200.116.203 |
whited
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posted March 18, 2005 08:21 AM
I believe Canadian Sailor has a CL16.
Robert, Celtic Kiss, said the bottom was flat enough that you could sleep one side of the centerboard. One of those skinny air matresses
would help.
When I had the CL14, with it's moulded-in seats, my plan was to make up a light framework of wood to span the distance between the seats and use an air matress for comfort.
..oh yeah...I survived a de-masting on the Mirage 33...I wouldn't recommend it to anyone! [This message has been edited by whited (edited March 18, 2005).] IP: 142.177.154.253 |
Canadian Sailor
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posted March 18, 2005 11:22 AM
Thanks for your replies. That is one thing I'm definitely never going to try.------------------
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SuperPiper
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posted March 19, 2005 02:49 PM
On the other hand:Quite a few years ago I thought it would be possible to install the masthead burgee without having to unstep the mast. I sent my kid brother up the rig. He shimmied up the mast and I used the main halyard as a safety line. He probably only weighed about 120lbs. At about the height of the forestay, the boat started a death roll: 120lbs at 16 feet above the deck vs 300lbs at 2 feet below the water. I can still picture the lad dangling from the halyard out over the water with the boat heeled more than about 45degrees. There was quite a bend in the mast, but she held and still seems no worse for the event. Consider this: in heavy air the mainsheet, at 3:1, is likely applying a load to the rig somewhere near the weight of a human-being (from the belly-button up; the rest of the hammock would be supported at the gooseneck). IP: 65.94.116.49 |
Roger
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posted March 19, 2005 09:42 PM
continuing on that loading thought. If you were to suspend your body from the boom end and gooseneck, the load is transfered up the topping lift to the top of the mast, some of it down the column of the mast and the rest to the forestay. On a sailload however, the load is lateral, so the load is transfered mostly to windward shroud, some to the forestay, and some to the jib luff, and very little to none down the mast column. I think even though the load is similar, the loading forces on the rigging might be very different if it was a body instead of a sail. My thoughts aren't meant to be critical, but only adding to the thinking around this loading problem. If the hammock was the ultimate solution, but the rigging just was not strong enough to dangle it from the boom, what about stringing it between a well secured and backed padeye, mounted to the corner of the cabin roof/bulkhead or tied to the aft end of the handrail, and running back to, umm, perhaps the pushpit, or some other structure at the transom, or mounted into it. That way, with the sail properly positioned, you may also be able to sleep in the shade. [This message has been edited by Roger (edited March 19, 2005).] IP: 216.55.193.192 |
Pathfinder
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posted March 20, 2005 02:47 PM
Hi Canadian Sailor; this is Jon, Pathfinder's son. I am about a year younger than you, and I'm planning to attend the Sandpiper Rendezvous with my parents in July.A couple of months ago, I asked my dad the same question about stringing our hammock on our Sandpiper. Cool idea! When dad gets the cover off the boat I plan to fit a simple board assembly (upside-down "T" shape) to cradle the end of the boom. The board may have to be long enough to sit on the cockpit floor, or short enough to sit on the seat. In your case, it would have to sit across the aft lazarette cover, because the CL 16 boom is longer than the Sandpiper boom, and pretty much extends outboard of the CL 16 traveller. (Dad says not to rig the board to fit into the pintle and gudgeon that hold the rudder because he doesn't like the idea of a lot of weight on those pieces. Okay to support mast for travel, but maybe not human body weight.) At that point, I'm going to try to string Mom's hammock from the base of the mast (or above the base) to the end of the boom where it meets the wooden support. I may have to run ropes to the starboard and port cleats to keep the boom from swaying. We have the benefit of a topping lift on the Sandpiper; but maybe the CL 16 main halyard would work. But Dad thinks the wood support under the boom would pretty much fix the question. I guess we'll find out soon. It would be so neat to rig the Hammock on the boat.  I'll let you know how this turns out. Hope to see you and your dad at the Rendezvous. IP: 209.239.0.237 |
Canadian Sailor
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posted March 21, 2005 08:20 PM
That's an interesting idea. I might try it since I have just the tool for it too.I don't know about the Rendezvous, I'm going to go check that topic again. It's in Georgian Bay right? That's pretty far away. Hmm... I'll go check it out, maybe my brother and his girlfriend would drive me there and we can go camping on the islands. IP: 216.209.110.46 |
Steve
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posted March 23, 2005 07:32 PM
It looks like you're already there but my .02. Problem with the first post is of course the entire weight of the slumberer pull in one direction. The solution of a wooden yoke to support the boom would relieve this. I'm not sure you have enough height there - or length?IP: 216.198.140.79 | |
