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Eric
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posted February 03, 2005 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eric   Click Here to Email Eric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this Sandpiper for sale(see Boatsforsale.org), and on this picture he shows jib tracks on the cabin roof.
I seem to remember us discussing this a couple of years ago. Has anyone else done this? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Which foresails do you use this for? Since these tracks are inside the shrouds, would flying a genoa be ok? http://www.harrisphotos.ca/sailboat/images/0002.jpg
I seem to remember talking about the "slot". I know one thing for sure. They are positioned farther forward compared to the standard track arrangement, which is something that I would like to do whether the tracks are on the deck or cabin roof.

Eric

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SuperPiper
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posted February 06, 2005 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperPiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eric:

Done that.

While on Opeongo Lake a couple of years ago, we sheeted the jib (not genoa) inboard of the shrouds. Jo and I sailed 360-degrees around the lake and never seemed to tack. The 'piper pointed like a bird-dog.

So, I mounted the fairlead tracks onto the cabin-top grab rails and started using them for both head sails. The genoa rubbed against the shrouds about a foot from the clew. So . . .

New chainplates were fabricated and bolted through the exterior of the hull at a location 12" aft of the original u-bolt chainplates. I cut an opening into the toe rail at the new location to create a scupper to dump rain water back into the lake rather than collecting on the deck (at least at that location). The new chainplates are further aft and a few inches further outboard. The new shroud location did not seem to create problems sailing downwind.

By spring, I would hope to have replaced the teak handrails with new genoa tracks: sort of dual purpose, eh?

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elmet3
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posted February 06, 2005 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elmet3   Click Here to Email elmet3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you say the Sandpiper sails as good or better on all points of sail with the fairleads on the cabin roof, and there is no downside? Hmmmmmm... maybe I can rig something up to test this before drilling holes, perhaps just tie a block to the grab rail. It would be interesting to compare at the rendezvous how high you can point. The rendezvous would actually be a great opportunity to run side by side tests of 'piper against 'piper with all sorts of different adjustments or rigging. I don't think any of us have the opportunity to evalutate our boats this way.

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piper576
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posted February 06, 2005 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piper576   Click Here to Email piper576     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Superpiper did you have your headsails recut or replaced ? I also found that running my working jib inside the shrouds gave me better pointing but the sail clew was still pulling back and down keeping sail shape. By mounting the fairlead tracks onto the cabin-top grab rails does that not effect your sail shape as now your pulling up on the clew ?
It looks like most other boats with headsails locate the tracks roughly the same deck height as the clew on the headsail.
Bob

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SuperPiper
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posted February 06, 2005 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SuperPiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob:

You are correct.

Darcy instructed me to raise the tack of the sail in order to get the sheeting angle correct. A strop about 10" long was inserted between the furler and the tack of the sail.

Technically, a headsail is probably more efficient if it skirts the deck. However, the visibility is improved with a high-tacked headsail.

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