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Author	Topic: Sandpiper Main Halyard
piper576 Member	posted June 04, 2004 11:18 PM I have noticed that the main halyard on my piper is half wire and half line. The problem that I am having is when I raise the main, the halyard seems to get hung-up on the spreader at the joint. I have tried to make the knot as small as possible but it doesnt seem to help...as I seem to be single handed most times its very frusterating. Has anyone else noticed this ? or have a suggestion for a remedy. IP: 209.226.190.146
Hyprstitch Member	posted June 05, 2004 12:14 AM Mine is all line. My biggest problem is feeding the main through the mast. Have to guide it most ot the way up. No problem doing alone, but an extra set of hands is always nice. Sid IP: 67.40.133.135
SuperPiper Member	posted June 05, 2004 05:43 AM Piper576: Wire halyards were popular in the 70's. The new hi-tech ropes have a lot less stretch than before. I replaced my wire halyard years ago with an all-rope halyard. There was actually a weight savings. Plus, the hoist-length was no longer limited by the distance the wire could travel before the knot encountered a block. I also took the opportunity to run the rope halyard inside the mast. IP: 64.230.162.141
piper576 Member	posted June 05, 2004 03:15 PM Hyprstitch - What size/type of line do you use and did you have to change or modify the top sheeve ? I found the same problem last year with feeding the luff so I added slugs it now slides easy exept the knot problem. SuperPiper - Yes my CL14 ran on the inside I thought about that as well but where did you exit at the bottom of the mast or did you cut a hole and sheeve it ? IP: 216.209.120.168
Eric Member	posted June 05, 2004 03:24 PM piper576, I was wondering if you use any lubricant on the slugs/track? Raising the main is sure easier with the slugs, but it feels like some lube could make it better. My main halyard is all rope 5/16" IIRC. Eric IP: 130.63.85.93
piper576 Member	posted June 05, 2004 10:26 PM Eric; I rubbed a little wax on the slugs when I put them on, so far they seem to slide nice, I have been told that there is a spray lube but I havent tried any yet. Bob IP: 216.209.120.108
Hyprstitch Member	posted June 06, 2004 12:39 AM I'm using 5\16 and had to change nothing. Also evey line on the boat is a different color. Mkaes it real easy to rig, and tell someone which line to do what to. Sid IP: 67.40.133.135
piper576 Member	posted June 07, 2004 10:10 PM Thanks all ;-) I now have gone and replaced with 5/16 solid line. Now there is no more frusterating spreader woo's when I raise the main ;-) Bob IP: 209.226.179.90
Ken Member	posted June 09, 2004 10:30 AM This is what I used in the Sandpiper luff groove. They even give you a slider to send up and down the groove to lubricate it. One application in Spring is all you need. We're now using this stuff on the mast track of our Niagara 35. http://www.iaw.on.ca/~robemell/millen/fastrac/fastrac.html IP: 141.117.228.250
Darcy Member	posted June 09, 2004 05:58 PM Fastrack works really well. Shortwaves' main glides up and down beautifully. D'Arcy IP: 67.70.120.144
whited unregistered	posted June 09, 2004 06:53 PM Looks like most people prefer the little glides over stuffing the main rope luff into the mast track. I'll check this out locally over the off season. What cost should I expect? [This message has been edited by whited (edited June 09, 2004).] IP: 142.177.154.59
piper576 Member	posted June 09, 2004 09:27 PM Whited ; I had mine done for me last season, the 12 slugs and sail rework (brass eyelets)where the slugs attach to the luff, set me back $35.00 Canadian. A small price to pay for the ease of raising compared to the rope luff - and as a plus when you drop the sail it stays put on the mast instead of the cockpit floor. Bob. IP: 216.209.120.191
whited unregistered	posted June 09, 2004 11:49 PM Sounds almost too cheap. The Mirage 33 I crewed on had that system and I liked it...especially since my 'Piper doesn't have a winch. IP: 142.177.37.168
Darcy Member	posted June 10, 2004 08:56 AM The little glides don't work as well with respect to air flow over the mast and sail so the racers don't use them. The difference is slight so if you cruise - I'd go with the glides. I'm with Bob; when lowering the sail the luff stays in the track rather than blowing all over the place. This might even be considered a safety feature when cruising with two. The racers have a full crew of gorillas who can wrestle the main. When you're lowering the sail by yourself in a gail you want the glides. D'Arcy IP: 65.95.110.24
elmet3 Member	posted June 10, 2004 09:38 AM I have glides sewn to the luff, well, sewn doesn't quite indicate the type of thread used, which is very heavy. I have never had a problem, I would consider sewing them on myself if I didn't have them already. IP: 67.107.33.106
Eric Member	posted June 11, 2004 07:14 PM That lube looks like just the ticket Ken! I hope I can source it in Barrie. I'd hate to have to drive downtown for a little tube . You know what happens when you walk into a chandlery, the ole debit card gets a workout!! Thanks. Eric IP: 130.63.85.93
2short S565 Member	posted June 30, 2004 11:37 PM Fastrac works great. But I tend to use too much of everything and the result with the Fastrac was bad stains (that I cant remove) on my nice new main. The anodizing on my mast groove must be worn thru, because the lube tended to get real dirty. Because I used so much it got onto the sail during lowering. This year I'm trying a dry teflon spray. I have the stuff but havent got around to putting it on yet. IP: 67.70.5.33
Eric Member	posted July 15, 2004 05:09 PM quote: This is what I used in the Sandpiper luff groove. They even give you a slider to send up and down the groove to lubricate it. One application in Spring is all you need. We're now using this stuff on the mast track of our Niagara 35. http://www.iaw.on.ca/~robemell/millen/fastrac/fastrac.html I have been casually trying to locate some Fastrac, without success. I called the ph# from the website, and was informed that the company closed last year. All their inventory has been sold off. Pity! If anyone comes across a retailer with some Fastrac, please let me know so I can get a tube. Thanks. Eric IP: 130.63.85.93
2short S565 Member	posted July 15, 2004 05:36 PM Here you go Eric; http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15272&item=368 8216260&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW or call these guys; http://ca.binnacle.com/online/product.asp?dept%5Fid=11190&pf%5Fid=21127 Fred [This message has been edited by 2short S565 (edited July 15, 2004).] IP: 67.70.4.175

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