posted October 12, 2004 01:29 PM               

I am a new 1976 Sandpiper 565 owner. I have raced for the last two years on a C&C 25, so I am fairly fluent in the sailing world. I have sailed this boat (the 565)on many occasions before, but never owned it. Well, now it is mine, and I have questions. I was told you are a great group and can't wait to meet you all. (Online or in person). I will take posession on Saturday!!! I don't know my Sail #. I have questions in a couple areas:

1. The whole toilet situation, I have read a few of your posts, but have yet to see a final solution. I live on the ocean, where flush toilets are the norm. I don't know the exact set-up on this boat, other than it hasn't been used in years, and I have never used it.

2. Is the area that the Jib cleats are bolted to strong enough to hold a small winch?

3. Have any of you ran all you mast lines (halyards, vang, outhaul?) back to the cockpit? If so, do you have any pics you could share?? I am thinking oof many ideas and would love to see other people's ideas too!

Can't wait to hear back, and contribute to the group!!!

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Rob Belliveau
1976 Sandpiper 565
"Cool Breeze"
Halifax NS
Soon to be at DYC

[This message has been edited by CoolBreeze (edited October 12, 2004).]

posted October 12, 2004 07:51 PM               

If you drive out to the Rendevous, you're going to owe us us time in the races !

Re:Sheet winches, if you look under the coaming from inside, you should see plywood core, where the existing cleats are. If it were me, I'd make up some backing plates for the winches to go along with whats there.

Re:lines led aft, mine is a work in progress . I started out removing the mast tabernacle [the alumminum 'C' channel], and drilling out 4 holes to accept blocks. You'll see in the pic that I run the lines to 2 horn cleats on the teak handrails. Presently, I only have the main and jib halyard run back. My next addition to this will be to get a couple of cheek blocks to install on the cabin roof, and run lines between the hand rail and the hatch rails, to a cam cleat or stopper. Then I'll have 4 lines run aft! I'm not sure what I'll run back, probably the topping lift, and the cunningham.

Anyway, welcome again, and thanks for contributing !

Eric

posted October 13, 2004 12:34 AM               

You will, indeed, find a great wealth of valuable information & ideas -- well, from everyone but me -- and support from the folks here. We made an implulse purchase of a 'Piper this past July & in all honesty, this group has been a godsend. Page through the archives & you'll find lots of fantastic stuff.

As far as #1 goes... well, I think the problem is mainly number two, if you know what I mean. Shortstay already has a pumpout fitting. I'm just disinclined to have someone pump my sh_t, especially if I have to pay them. I'm looking to replace my head and have asked the group for advice. It seems in the US, a porta-potti is OK (so long as you don't dump it overboard!), but in Ontario, at the very least, you must be fitted to a pumpout. When you get your 'Piper & see how/if it's plumbed, revisit this question. It may be a fait accompli. No doubt, you could install a thru-hull fitting, but there's not tons of room for a big head. You'd also need to have it secured if you trailer to inland waterways.

As to #2, I'm not sure why you'd need a winch. A good pair of gloves & hard yank seems to work pretty well for us.

#3 is a definite yupper. I don't have it rigged that way, but I'm sure some folks can share on their set-ups.

posted October 13, 2004 06:19 AM               

I'll look under the coaming...Gloves do work, but sometimes under heavier winds in the harbour, It would be nice to have a small winch.

I'd love to find room for a small deck organizer, or do the block thing, then back to a small Spinlock Powercleat. Main and Jib are a must, cunninham and vang would be nice. Then spinnker time, down the road.

I know I have a pump out fitting up on deck. I think it was the "basic" set-up. We are allowed to pump it out, and I don't have any intentions (as of now) to use it in a lake. I'll have to work on ideas for this.

Whited...did you race the Mirage 33 this year? What was the name? Ever think of running the Piper white sails?

Last question, for now, hehehehe...does anyone know the race rating for this boat? Just curious

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Rob Belliveau
1976 Sandpiper 565
"Cool Breeze"
Halifax NS
Soon to be at DYC

posted October 13, 2004 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by CoolBreeze:
does anyone know the race rating for this boat? Just curious

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According to this link the PHRF is 300.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm

Fred

But what do I know I don't even own a boat at the present time.

posted October 13, 2004 09:24 AM               

Multi-purchase boom vang leads to back of cabin top. It works beautifully controlling the main in the heavy stuff. If it's on tight, I don't have to work as hard letting the main in and out in gusty weather.

The outhaul is simply cleated at the end of the boom. As a past racer, I long to be able to adjust it easier so I think that will be our first spring project. We sail on a lake where the winds vary considerably and an ajustable outhaul would be good to control the power in the mainsail.

No winches for the jib - just gloves when it blows. We're considering adding some sort of adjustable friction block like you would see on a Laser main or Int-14 jib. I think winches are a little extreme for the size of the jib. They would also slow your reaction time when you have to let the jib off quickly in a sudden gust. Our jib cleats are a bit tuff fo Lynn to let off in a gust. We are contemplating changing to a easy opening ball bearing type cleat like Harken. They're good for racing and excellent for cruising because they are easy to use requiring very little effort.

posted October 13, 2004 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Darcy:

The outhaul is simply cleated at the end of the boom. As a past racer, I long to be able to adjust it easier so I think that will be our first spring project. We sail on a lake where the winds vary considerably and an ajustable outhaul would be good to control the power in the mainsail.

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Here's what I did for outhaul;

Its made from the original vang. Works great.

posted October 13, 2004 10:56 PM               

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Originally posted by 2short S565:
Here's what I did for outhaul. Its made from the original vang. Works great.

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However, as I recall, Fred, part of the reason you could rig it that way was because you had a backstay & had dispensed with the topping lift.

Actually, I had always wondered a little bit about that because isn't the toppping lift useful for opening up the pocket of the main in light air?

But then again, "what do you know. You don't even own a boat at the present time."

posted October 14, 2004 09:33 AM               

The mail sail and jib halyards look good. I was thinking of putting an organizer on each corner (I think that's what was in your picture), but then to a locking unit, like one of the Spinlock PowerCleats or PowerClutch. I think it would be easier and more accurate than using a traditional cleat. Has anyone used a powercleat type set-up for their Jib, replacing the locks that are there?

I think this is a great group, I was reading back posts (as far as I could go) and have found a wealth of information. Besides WhiteD, are there any other Nova Scotian's here? Especially Halifax area? Would love to meet up and see your boat and what you have done.

I have read about the Meet next summer. It is a little far for me to travel with time constraints. Anyone planning a trip to Halifax next year?

posted October 14, 2004 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by CoolBreeze:
I think I could rig the outhaul similar even with the topping lift still in place.(Has anyone tried this?)

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I started off with both topping lift and my outhaul arrangment, then eliminated the topping lift. The topping lift is completely independent of the outhaul. It connects to the second tang located on the end of the boom (similarily to the main sheet). The outhaul connects to casting on the end of the boom.

posted October 14, 2004 08:43 PM               

Hope this helps.

posted October 14, 2004 08:53 PM               

Now that I looked at my outhaul configuration in my last post, I'm thinking I might try a twisted shackle at the tack, that way the line will be on a lower angle leading to the cheek. Easier to try that than moving the cheek block around.
Funny, I've been looking at this problem all summer, and now when the boat's put away, I think of an easy solution

Eric

posted October 15, 2004 09:00 AM               

How do you embed pics into messages? I tried cut and paste...didn't work

posted October 15, 2004 10:14 AM               

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Originally posted by CoolBreeze:
How do you embed pics into messages? I tried cut and paste...didn't work

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posted October 15, 2004 06:53 PM               

[IMG]web address of specific image[/IMG]

It doesn't work with the link you posted because it's not just a single picture, but if you could download it & upload it to photobucket or somehow isolate the picture with a specific address, you could skip opening the new window.

posted October 18, 2004 01:16 AM               

Picture also shows brother-in-law Mike with our niece and nephew enjoying a sail on the bow. Angle of cabin in front of mast is very well suited for relaxing.

posted October 18, 2004 01:26 AM               

Nephew Darcy (my namesake) is learning to helm with a bit of guidance from Lynn and her sister on a beautiful but somewhat cool summer day.

posted October 19, 2004 07:27 AM               

Re my mainsail, I ordered a new sail at the very end of my first season. The old one was somewhat OK, but had a couple of tape patches on it. In that first season, I knew I wanted luff slugs, instead of just a boltrope. I also wanted reef points. I ordered the main from Genco in Toronto. I figured since all the sails on the boat were made by him, that he would know the size of the new main. I had no experience with sailmakers, shapes, foot lengths etc.
Since it was brought up, my main does seem to be short in the foot. Oh well, the sail works well for me
A couple of things I may consider, when a "next time" comes around, is full battens, the loose foot and maybe a second row of reefs. The last two items could be adapted now if I desired.
However, I'm very pleased with the new main. In addition to the reefs and slugs, Nick installed the Cunningham grommet, and tell tales on the leech.
His price was really competitive. He's not North or Quantum quality perhaps, but then I'm sailing a Sandpiper, not a J Boat, or a Farr 40