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Topic: S565 Stern Cleats
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Shortstay
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posted August 05, 2004 12:48 PM
   
All the pix I've seen of everyone's boats have stern cleats, some in line with the
gunnels, some kitty-corner on the rear corners of the transom.
I don't have cleats at all but grab handles.Here's a link to what it looks like:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=21747&catalogId=10001&classNum=354&subdeptNum=147&storeNum=24 Does anyone else have this? ------------------
Kevin
Shortstay III, #901 [This message has been edited by Shortstay (edited August 05, 2004).] IP: 198.115.167.21 |
whited
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posted August 05, 2004 02:53 PM
No! My 'piper sail # 1162 has proper cleats parallel to the keel line. (or gunnels)IP: 156.34.90.83 |
Shortstay
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posted August 05, 2004 03:10 PM
Am I mistaken, Don, or is that a pretty emphatic "No!"? Do you think this ain't a good thing for Shortstay?IP: 198.115.167.3 |
whited
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posted August 05, 2004 08:41 PM
I'd have to think it would be a lot quicker and easier to 'belay a cleat' than try to tie a line to the 'handle'. The nice heavy cleats that came with the 'Pipers appear to be sturdier than the 'handle' version. you could ask Tom at CL why cleats were used over the 18 year production run and if they ever used your version...or if yours were an aftermarket thing.
Did I mention that cleats look
more 'yachty'...if that makes any difference.
see: http://www.lightlink.com/nutmeg/beal%20to%20a%20cleat.htm
[This message has been edited by whited (edited August 05, 2004).]
[This message has been edited by whited (edited August 05, 2004).] IP: 142.177.157.216 |
2short S565
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posted August 05, 2004 09:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by whited:
Did I mention that cleats look
more 'yachty'...if that makes any difference.
Those handles must look ... well never mind. That boat must of been made on a Monday or Friday. (j/k) Looks like cabinet hardware? if so I would not trust it to stand up to the loads that cleats must withstand when the boat is docked in high winds. How the heck do you "tie" the dock lines to those things Shortstay?
Fred
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Shortstay
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posted August 05, 2004 09:55 PM
Don, I'd much rather have cleats! No question. I'm just kinda wondering why they are there instead of cleats. Do you think C&L equiped it that way?Fred, I haven't had to tie up much yet. I've just launched from the trailer on a ramp or moored in front of the cottage. When I've had to tie up I've just tied a bowline to the handle & cleated on the dock. As I wrote above, I'd prefer cleats. However, at this point I'm going to install the stern rail & tiller tamer cleats & see if there's room for anything else!!!  IP: 198.115.167.210 |
SuperPiper
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posted August 06, 2004 06:06 AM
I like the handles!One of the very first modifications to my 'piper was the relocation of the bow/anchor cleat. I had snagged it too many times during tacking. My bow cleat now lives inside the anchor well. The handle looks un-snaggable. IP: 64.230.162.118 |
Shortstay
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posted August 06, 2004 08:54 AM
Thanks for the alternate opinion, Supe'.
Like with anything else, it takes all kinds to make a world.Still, I'm wondering why they're there. It doesn't look like cleats were removed (no
patched holes anywhere)... IP: 198.115.167.19 |
Ken
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posted August 06, 2004 10:43 AM
Are there any chocks near the rear corners of the stern coamings? The presense of two heavy aluminum crossed type chocks would indicate whether there ever were cleats on the corners. ShortWave (Hull # 134) had stern cleats & chocks.IP: 141.117.228.250 |
Shortstay
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posted August 06, 2004 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Ken:
Are there any chocks near the rear corners of the stern coamings?
Negative. Clean as can be. On the starboard side, just forward of the corner, there's a recepticle for a pole light.
No marks or repairs on the port side at all. IP: 198.115.167.8 |
2short S565
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posted August 06, 2004 11:20 AM
Is it possible that the cleats were replaced with handles that have the same bolt pattern?Fred IP: 205.207.185.116 |
Shortstay
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posted August 06, 2004 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by 2short S565:
Is it possible that the cleats were replaced with handles that have the same bolt pattern?
I don't think so.... IP: 198.115.167.8 |
Eric
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posted August 06, 2004 07:25 PM
Interesting!We find out alot of differences within the range of Sandpipers! Perhaps Shortstay's original purchaser ordered his boat with the grab handles? The bolt pattern is definately
different between the handles and cleats. The big beefy cleats that are on "most" Sandpipers are something I admire about our boats. Like Shortwave, I too have aft chocks, that are again, robust! I don't always use them however. The forward chocks are always used. I have seen other Sandpipers without aft chocks. I like to use the aft cleats for rigging a line for my Tiller Lock, as seen in the pic. Eric  IP: 130.63.85.93 |
Shortstay
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posted August 07, 2004 09:55 AM
Thanks for the repy & pic, Eric.My grab handles are exactly where your cleats are. If I wanted to replace the handles with cleats, do you folks think I should remove the handles or find a slightly different spot -- kitty-cornered, for instance. I guess I'm wondering if it's better to avoid having to patch the old holes which wouldn't be covered up by a new cleat. I think I like Eric's location. IP: 198.115.167.33 |
Eric
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posted August 07, 2004 07:04 PM
Looks like another job for West System epoxy If you remove the old hand grips, you'll need to fill the holes. However, epoxy needs to be protected from the sun's UV. Therefore you'll need to dab some paint over the filled holes. I'm not certain if you can apply gelcoat over epoxy. The West System maintenance booklet should answer that. Also, I'd recommend backing plates for the new cleats. Another also, is to drill oversize holes for the new cleats, fill with epoxy thickened with strenthening filler, and then drill the holes for the cleats. This is the method I talked about earlier. Eric IP: 130.63.85.93 |
Shortstay
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posted August 08, 2004 08:31 AM
Thanks for the reply & advice, Eric.I've visited the West Systems website & tracked down a local full line dealer. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about grab handles vs cleats at this point, but I'll be seeing them for the other known projects. IP: 198.115.167.5 |
