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Tailpiper
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posted August 28, 2007 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Cut-Away Transom

The rudder blade was modified so that it hung vertical. The rudder was cut to be elliptical in plan. The leading and trailing edges were re-shaped to NACA0012. Most of the blade was still parallel-sided. The rudder head was cut shorter when the transom was removed.

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Tailpiper
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posted August 28, 2007 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Rudder Gantry

The rudder gantry was added. The rudder now had to be a little higher than before to keep the rudder head out of the water.

[This message has been edited by Tailpiper (edited August 28, 2007).]

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Tailpiper
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posted August 28, 2007 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Joanne Is In Winnipeg

So . . .


Before

Then

And Now

This configuration will be tested this weekend before some final machining and coats of epoxy and paint.

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Tailpiper
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posted August 28, 2007 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Over The Years


This photo shows the modifications to the rudder head over the course of almost a decade.

We can ask D'Arcy for an opinion. That region much lower than the rudder pivot bolt may add very little to the support of the rudder blade. These unsupported extensions drag in the water and tend to cause the rudder head to split due to forces from the rudder blade. Sapphire's extensions were cut away in the first round of modifications.

When I thought my boat weighed only 1200 lbs, it made some sense to cut away some of the excess lumber. At 1700 lbs, it really does not matter.

Duchess II's rudder is the ultimate and may explain her speed compared to the rest of the fleet. That is a winter project to be considered.

[This message has been edited by Tailpiper (edited August 28, 2007).]

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Darcy
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posted August 29, 2007 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think one of the main speed enhancing factors of the Dutchess II rudder is the guy at the end of the stick. On the last downwind leg of the Rendezvous Arthur skillfully gybed his way downwind to catch up to Sapphire.

If you look at the distance gained by being on the right tack you'll see that even a 1 degree shift gives you hundreds of feet over the boat on the wrong tack.

D'Arcy, Shortwave

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elmet3
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posted August 29, 2007 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elmet3   Click Here to Email elmet3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Darcy! I was very happy with that bit of sailing. Catching Sapphire is always a challenge. Has anybody told Dennis about the radio communications that he was unable to monitor?

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Arthur
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Tailpiper
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posted October 13, 2007 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah? Well in most sailboat racing, OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE is consider cheating, you cheaters. So, it's a good thing we weren't racing.

I was fishing for more info about these secret "radio communications" at the Bruce sail. But even after beers and brandy, the facts remained hidden.

So until the next time we meet, Orange Boat:

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Tailpiper
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posted October 20, 2007 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was Sapphire's modified rudder head on the Labour Day weekend:

The tiller was a little too high at the grip end so the rudder head was returned to the shop. This is how it looked for the Thanksgiving weekend:

These photos were taken without the rudder blade installed (just in case you thought Sapphire had some ultra-low resistance, transparent rudder).

This 'Piper is still in the water. One more sail before she gets pulled on Sunday. There are some fun winds forecast for today and tomorrow.

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Tailpiper
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posted January 20, 2008 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Winter Project


Remember This?

Here is one possible solution. A T-foil rudder to provide pitch damping and to also provide downward force as the boatspeed increases.

12 different templates have been painstakingly drawn. First a laminated plywood core will be hand-shaped. Then 0.097" of glass laminate will be applied and the whole thing will be templated again.

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elmet3
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posted January 20, 2008 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elmet3   Click Here to Email elmet3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you building this??? Will this be on display at R'08?

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Darcy
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posted January 20, 2008 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Int-14s use a similar rudder. It helps lift the boat up above the water hydroplane style. The lower fin is adjustable and is controlled from the tiller extension.

I think if you want to get Sapphire up planning Dennis, you're going to have to flatten the stern areas. Hanging the crew on triple trapezes and extension rails or wings to keep her flat will also help you power up your craft.

D'Arcy, Shortwave

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Tailpiper
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posted January 21, 2008 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
D'Arcy you are incredible. I forgot that you have raced International 14s. There is no end to your experience.

The intention is not to lift the Sandpiper onto plane. The intention is to force the stern down against the lift caused by the sailplan. The T-foil also has a reputation for reducing the up and down pitching of short hulls (like the I-14s). This damping effect makes the boat a little more efficient and maybe a little more comfortable. In the last America's Cup, one of the syndicates experimented with a T-foil as a way to make the boat's wake think that the boat's waterline was longer.

Arthur, the core has been laminated. I need to print and plastic-laminate the templates.

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Darcy
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posted January 21, 2008 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure that I'd be happy pushing my stern down. It seems to go against the grain of years of dinghy sailing.

I think on smaller boats we should be shifting weight through crew positioning. Since wind and water conditions change quickley, a fast moving crew can respond better to almost any condition. It's the ability to quickley shift gears that makes our little boats so agile.

D'Arcy, Shortwave

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elmet3
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posted January 21, 2008 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elmet3   Click Here to Email elmet3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmmm..... maybe I can add one of those to Duchess' rudder. !

I'm going from memory here, but isn't 269 square inches quite a bit smaller than the standard rudder? Of course that high aspect ratio makes it efficient. If Duchess' rudder is any indication, you should not be lacking control.

What is the length? Duchess' rudder is longer than the standard and sometimes I must be a little careful about the depth of water, or I'll bump the rudder. I elected to design the rudder to kick up, but in reality, I have it tied down pretty well.

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Tailpiper
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posted January 27, 2008 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailpiper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elmet3 you are right, the new rudder has less area. Depending how I draw the waterline onto the rudder, the existing has 314 sq. in. of area and the new rudder will have 269 sq.in.. It was my intention to reduce the rudder area by 5-10% because there had been no serious broaches or apparent loss of control. The Sandpiper may have a very stable/conservative amount of rudder area. But, as the design evolved, the area ended up being 14% less.

I am anticipating a reduction in drag even though the T-foil will add another 100-150 sq.in. of area to the rudder shape.

Before Sapphire's rudder was cut to an elliptical plan form, it may have had 348 sq.in. of area.

The length from the pivot bolt to the tip of the existing rudder measures 34-3/4". That dimension for the new rudder will be 39-7/8". This will put the T-foil a very comfortable distance below the propeller of the outboard motor.

Here are a couple of photos. The laminated plywood has 2 layers of 6 oz glass and epoxy between. The 1-1/4" stainless steel angle will form the flange for the detachable T-foil. The core profile is bizarrely different than the rudder plan form.


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elmet3
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posted January 27, 2008 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elmet3   Click Here to Email elmet3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Detachable!! That's good. I was thinking about this over the weekend. I remembered that I angled the front edge of the rudder back in order to allow the rudder to shed weeds. A T foil would prevent that, it would collect everything it encountered in the water. This wouldn't be an issue in some water, but in other waters it's a big issue.

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Darcy
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posted January 29, 2008 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Darcy   Click Here to Email Darcy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd suggest painting the rudder white so you can see weeds easily. Our varnished rudder although beautiful looking is hard to see with respect to weeds.

You can probably design a long broom handled device with carpeted claw to swipe weeds off. It's almost a standard item when racing in shallow areas where weeds grow in August. Clean it often. One little weed will really slow you down.

On Sharks which are similar to Sandpipers in that they have very inefficient keels, we tend to keep the ruddrs big. Besides steering, they also give some lateral resistance. Keep in mind that the newer designed boats have highly efficient keels so your rudder only has to steer.

Sandpipers have a lot of grey areas when it comes to desgn. That's what makes them so neat. For example, when a larger America's Cup styled boat runs downwind the long waterline makes it behave just like a test hull in a tank. Our short little hulls are bobbing all over the place causing a lot of turbulance behind the keel. On the plus side though you can move your weight to help the hull. As the hull climbs over a wave we often shift our weight forward. At the same time we pump the sails. The two actions cause the boat to jump onto the wave and surf a bit. As the speed picks up we move back to stay on the wave.

I'm not sure if the lower wing on the rudder will help you in a boat where conditions often require weight shifting and balance to control the boat.

Back in the 70s while racing Lasers we were fortunate to have Ian Bruce (Designer of the Laser) sailing with us for a day. When we asked him about the best way to get a really smooth rudder he suggested doing nothing. Again, he felt there was so much turbulance behind the centreboard on a small boat that your time would be better spent sailing, learning to play wind shifts and waves.

D'Arcy, Shortwave

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