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Topic: Laying up for winter
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CL16 #525
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posted October 15, 2002 05:04 PM
 
Any thoughts/hints out there for helping a new owner in laying up his CL16 outside (Muskoka area) for the winter?thanks,
Richard IP: 216.123.211.202 |
Tom D CL16
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posted October 16, 2002 02:16 PM
 
Hey your boat is almost as old as mine. I am 438. For winter storage outside,
Get a cover of some sort and support is so it will not puddle in the middle.
Open the centerboard access plates. This will help dryout the bilge.
Open the drain in the transom and the lazarette.
If possible tip the boat so any water could drain out.
If you have bailers open them for drainage. Mine don't open because of they rest on the trailer bunks.
Keep the sails and lines inside.
You should get more detail info from others. I am lucky my boat is in the garage when not sailing both summer and winter.
Tom D IP: 152.163.189.202 |
Celtic Kiss
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posted October 16, 2002 04:25 PM
Richard; Tom covered it all. The only things I would add though is to use the mast as your ridgepole. Be sure to put rags or the like at the points where it touches the hull and don't be afraid to really tighten up on the boat cover. That way the water (rain or melted snow) runs off cleanly. The other thing is to brush any snow off your boat. I also put a coat of wax on before I cover up "Celtic Kiss". UV Rays reflect off of the snow and the wax also makes it easier to shine the hull in the spring. Don't cry too much in your beer  Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120 IP: 66.222.205.51 |
Darcy
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posted October 16, 2002 05:37 PM
The waxing is a great idea. I always forget and regret it in the Spring.Make sure any water can drain out. Some people turn their boats upside down or on the side. This means any water can collect at joints between deck and hull. The freezing action can cause cracking (sometimes very small cracks so you don't see them). These cracks become potential areas that let water into your tanks when sailing. The next time you capsize you may be very low in the water. Also keep in mind that Muskoka has a very high snow load. I've seen boats crushed by the snow (sometimes 4 feet deep over the hull) because the boat was either not evenly supported or the frame above collapsed from snow loads, punching holes in the hull. I would also make sure that your boat is far enough away from the lake when stored. Occasionally the high Spring thaw will flood low lying areas. We've had people on our lake looking for their boats that have floated away at high water time. Hike through the drifts to your boat at least once in the winter and give it a hug to show that you care. Regards, D'Arcy IP: 205.188.209.51 |
Celtic Kiss
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posted October 16, 2002 05:43 PM
D'arcy; Excellent point about water freezing at the hull-deck joint. That never would have occured to me. Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120 IP: 66.222.205.51 |
CL16 #525
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posted October 17, 2002 09:30 AM
Excellent tips guys. Thank you very much. To tell you the truth, after letting the boat sit on the trailer to allow as much water to drain out of the hull as possible, I have taken her off the trailer and laid her upside down (that didn't come out right  ). I was worried about the snow loads because I feel the boat's weight is not properly displaced on the trailer as is and I also wanted to take a closer look at the condtion of the hull. Looks like I'll be posting again enquiring about everyone's experience with fibreglass repair . However, in the process of rolling the boat over I mananged to bend the starboard chainplate, which put a damper on an otherwise beautiful fall Muskoka day. The leaves turning colour seems to be especially vibrant this fall. As for the boat, I plan to basically wrap it with a tarp for the winter.Thanks again guys,
Richard IP: 216.123.211.202 |
whited
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posted October 17, 2002 02:17 PM
I've found that you need two fairly strong people to flip the Cl 14 without rolling it over on it's gunwales.
To flip a Cl 16 you'd need a small craneIP: 159.33.2.41 |
Celtic Kiss
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posted October 17, 2002 03:48 PM
Richard: The key thing about flipping the boat upside down is to not leat ANY weight rest on the splashboard. I've seen CL's upside down before and the owners seem to prefer using 6X6 post for the boat to rest on. That way the boat is suspended so the air can circulate underneath the boat, water will drip off the boat before it re-freezes, the hull will not freeze to the ground and most importantly the SPLASHBOARD IS NOT CARRYING ANY WEIGHT.
Robert
Celtic Kiss #2120
IP: 66.222.205.51 |
CL16-2695
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posted October 18, 2002 07:54 PM
I've kept my CL16 on the trailer covered with a tarp in past winters. This year I'm going to turn her over and leave her on the patio(also covered) as I want to have a good look at her hull and do some minor repairs in the spring. Thanks for the suggestions on providing support guys... they will help a lot. As for turning her over she only weighs about 350 lbs or whatever that is in kilos and with the help of a couple of buddys with strong backs and weak minds we should get it done without a problem... famous last words right? The boom and mast hang from the ceiling of the garage and the sails are off to the sailmaker for some needed repairs. Now it's time to get out the skis and get ready for the next 6 months. May won't come soon enough... even with the skiing. Have a great winter all of you. Norman
CL16-2659 IP: 149.99.220.8 |
Ken
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posted October 22, 2002 10:15 AM
This may possibly only apply to the lighter "Laser" hull, but the Laser owner's manual recommends storing the hull by leaning it (deck inward) against a wall with pads under the gunwale and another athe place where it contacts the wall. The rational there is that the hull and deck are easily deformed by the weight of snow/ice loads but the hull/deck joint is the strong point in the hull. This will also present a minimum area for snow buildup. Of course, unlike your Cl-16's, a Laser is fully decked.
Regards....Ken "ShortWave"------------------
"Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic
And amateurs built the Ark." IP: 141.117.20.18 |
Rob Wierdsma
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posted October 27, 2002 09:02 PM
All the CL-16's at Mississauga Sailing Club (along with all the other dinghies for that matter) are flipped for the winter. We used to put 3-4 tires underneath, but the fire department has banished them, so we have to come up with something else. All rigging and loose parts come home with the sails. Mast and boom will probably hang from the chain link fence, with 3 ties to prevent mast bend. Flipping a CL16 is usually a 3 person (minimum) job.
I haven't taken mine apart yet, next weekend it will get done.
Rob W
Cl16 1050IP: 66.185.84.70 |
mugwhumper
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posted September 08, 2005 01:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob Wierdsma:
Hi All,I'm planning to flip my CL for the winter and support it on 6X6s. Can anyone identify the best location to put the supports? Once I have it flipped, should I tarp it, or leave it open?
Thanks for your help. IP: 70.49.36.11 |
dlb
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posted September 08, 2005 01:49 PM
Just a word of caution on the use of the mast as a ridgepole under the boat cover. I have a Hunter 170. Last winter was my first year to store it and I used the mast as a ridgepole under a tarp that covered the boat. Unfortunately, during a freeze - thaw cycle, a large buildup of ice developed on one side which caused the mast to "flex" off to one side by about 4 inches in the middle! Thankfully, everything straightened out again once I got the weight off and there did not appear to be any permanent damage.
This year, I think I will be building a wood frame to support the tarp.IP: 204.39.95.9 |
whited
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posted September 08, 2005 03:08 PM
Hi Mugwhumper
If you do tarp the inverted boat, make sure air can circulate under. My former Cl 14 was stored that way and the plywood centerboard swelled and de-laminated.[This message has been edited by whited (edited September 08, 2005).] IP: 142.167.224.116 |
Steve
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posted September 10, 2005 07:29 AM
I too live in Muskoka. I store my CL16 outside, upside down on beams. The snow/ice seems to eventually defeat any rightside up rig. (Although, here's a link to one: http://www.bosunsupplies.com/Cover.cfm -I may have gotten that from someone here, my power boat thanks you.) A tarped (upside down)hull doesn't usually allow enough of a buildup to cause any damage, if you have the decks well supported on the beams (beams shaped to be more like yokes.)Mugwhumper,
Upside down on 6 x 6s is a great way to store it. Front one ahead of the splash, rear, just ahead of the notch of the traveller, seems to have worked well over the years. I have always tarped it - oxidation and all. If you don't, be sure to remove the centreboard. It'll rot for sure and then snap off at the beginning of one of your best sails ever.
Steve
CL16 #1474[This message has been edited by Steve (edited September 10, 2005).] IP: 216.198.140.85 |
Canadian Sailor
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posted September 12, 2005 04:46 PM
A local farmer rents us out barn space. We put a tarp on to fend off wind, snow, and bat guano. I put rat poison in the boat in case of any little critters coming in. Something eats all of it usually then shows its displeasure by defecating in my boat. I don't know how else to keep it out though, as the tarp is usually pretty tight.------------------
Canadian Sailor ;)
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you
criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." IP: 216.209.110.66 |
clracer
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posted October 26, 2005 01:53 PM
at the Cobourg yatch club we do the same as the msc we flip ours over and just put 4x4 blocks just infront of the traviler and one just behind the front forstay plate(make sure its not resting on anything other than the hull) we have been doing that for many many years ------------------
i love to race fast and hard IP: 65.93.202.238 |
Ken
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posted October 28, 2005 10:37 AM
When storing the mast and boom take care to lay them both on their sides. This will prevent excessive ice buildup in the luff groove, allow the steaming light to drain, and prevent possible denting or deformation of the luff groove.
Never store the mast with the steaming light on the bottom...it will fill with rain water and eventually ruin the lamp and it's internal connections. We store SilverHeels' furling luff extrusion so that it doesn't collect moisture in it's luff groove.When removing the rod antenna element from the Metz VHF antenna make sure to slide the little pea shaped ferrule and other components onto the rod, then secure these small parts with tape so that you'll easily be able to find them in the spring. Metz antenna parts have a habit of disappearing over the winter.
http://www.metzcommunication.com/manta6.htm IP: 141.117.228.250 |
