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Topic: Winter Projects
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Tom D CL16 Member
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posted December 08, 2004 08:54 PM
As some of you know I go south for the winter. I get to do some sailing and enjoy shorts and Tee shirts for a few months. Spring Project: Dig out of the basement my testing of a boom tent. A few years ago I was very interested in camp cruising. I built a transom rack and started to build a test tent from a blue tarp. I will have to get it out and finish the job. I would like to make the Aug regatta camp/cruise trip. Hopefully some other true daysailors will also try to make it. I am also building a kayak with plans from B&B in North Carolina. Good sailing Tom D CL 16 438 ------------------ Tom D CL16 (438) IP: 205.188.117.13 |
whited unregistered
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posted December 08, 2004 10:04 PM
Good idea Tom. Don't forget the coffee can to use as your head.IP: 142.177.33.151 |
Darcy Member
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posted December 09, 2004 09:25 AM
If I might add another overnight / camping question? How do CL-16ers and Sandpiper cruisers cook or boil water? In anticipation of next summer's event we're looking at small Mountain Equipment Coop camping single burners. I'd be very interested to hear other peoples experiences and recomendations. We also both love the thought of a hot tea or coffee while sailing. A thermos can only go so far. D'Arcy IP: 65.92.99.208 |
windy island Member
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posted December 09, 2004 04:57 PM
We have been using the coleman single burner left over from my wilderness Algonquin camping trips. It boils water quickly, however, it is not stable, requires pumping to keep the flame hot and filling and lighting can be dangerous to your health. We will be buying a butane single burner unit. I have seen them in many hardware stores and Wallmart. The cost is less than $40.00. A friend uses this unit on his Tanzer and it works very well. The unit boils water quickly, it's safe for indoor use, the canisters are inexpensive and last well and it has a steady base to it with an auto-lite feature. I think Santa will leave it under the tree.IP: 209.217.117.198 |
elmet3 Member
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posted December 09, 2004 10:00 PM
Good question Darcy. I have been thinking about the same thing. I have a small backpacking/camping burner that sits on three legs that I like, but I think is too unstable for use aboard a boat. So I attached a wire to each leg and hung the burner from the wires. I can put a pot onto the burner and slide a nut down around the three wires and they pull in and trap the pot and hold it onto the burner. Since the burner is suspended it can swing with the boat. I couldn't think of a good way to suspend the fuel bottle, so it sits on the table and I suspend the burner from the cabin top. The fuel bottle prevents completes motion, but the burner can swing a little bit. So how well does it work? Well it works fine in the driveway, but I haven't tried it on the water yet! I only put this together to save the cost of buying a new burner, and because I like the one I have, but it would be easier and probably better to buy a stove. However, it was simple to assemble, stores very small, and should tolerate a rocking boat. Arthur IP: 69.220.69.169 |
bobc Member
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posted December 13, 2004 08:38 AM
Tom, I am intrested in trying some camping this year and have kicked around boom tent designs. Everyhing from the delux windows and bug screen to simply a tarp. Care to share you design details ??------------------ Bob Crowley Luna #486 IP: 66.251.27.171 |
Ken Member
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posted December 13, 2004 03:04 PM
When cruising on ShortWave in Kingston and North Channel we had excellent luck cooking on a 2 burner propane-fueled Coleman Stove. It was placed on an upturned aluminum cookie sheet on the starboard cockpit seat. Lynn cooked outdoors while I sat on the centreboard trunk and passed ingredients from the larder. We rigged a medium sized blue plastic tarp over the boom, stretching from the mast to the stern railing. It provided excellent protection from the weather. I originally had a fitted boom tent but found it too dark & claustrophibic inside. ------------------ "Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic And amateurs built the Ark." IP: 141.117.228.250 |
whited unregistered
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posted December 13, 2004 10:05 PM
Timely thread because Cdn Tire has a 50% off sale on heavy duty tarps. The silver version with the black underside. Ken..what size did you find best for your boom awning..6' x 8' or 8' x 10'?IP: 142.177.33.151 |
elmet3 Member
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posted January 08, 2005 10:06 AM
So far, I have sanded all the bright work on the boat, and am waiting for warmer weather to refinish it, I think with epoxy (any recommendations?) Aligned the nuts on the keel screw so I can properly insert the keel wrench. Built a rack to hold my outboard when it is stored in the lazerette, so it isn't just sitting in there bouncing around. Suspended a burner so I can heat food/water on the boat. Purchased blocks and cleats so I can bring the reefing line back to the cockpit. Installed a board with hooks in the lazerette to hang dock lines and mooring lines and they don't get tangled or sit in water. Built a battery charger to operate off the outboard motor. The motor has a generator/magneto. The charger rectifies and filters the output. Has two charging speeds. Repaired the mast head light. Replaced most of the wire on the boat. Organized stuff in plastic boxes in the under-berth storage. Built a rudder with a true foil shape (10% NACA foil). Formed a new tiller.I am in the process of: Building a new rudder head. Installing a new traveler track. Mounting the compass, GPS on the bulkhead. Bringing a VHF speaker back to the rear of the cockpit. installing clips to hold the oars and whisker pole. Installing new trailer lights. Just when I think that's enough, somebody posts a photo of their boat that looks really good, so I go back at it and find another project! IP: 69.212.30.69 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted January 12, 2005 12:08 PM
"What are you doing under the blue tarp, Honey?" . . . "Nothing, Dear".  The sliding companionway has been completely cut out on Hull #123. The hatch was trimmed, clamped and glassed in place inside the opening. And, a "ring frame" or beam has been added at the forward end of the hatch to help support the cabin top. The hatch boards are only bolted in place but have already been cut out as per Sketch #1. I have been climbing through this smaller opening for a couple of weeks and to my surprise, it seems to be large enough to accommodate a small adult. By entering the cabin from the quarter, the keel trunk and table are not in the way. Cool! Getting out is easier than getting in. However, the flat top of the new hatch is not aesthetically appealing. Therefore, tomorrow evening I intend to modify the opening to Sketch #2. Sketches #3 - 5 are alternatives for increasing the opening size. I expect to stay with #2. I will post a photo on the weekend while the hatchboards are being epoxied in place. By the way, now the only teak on the exterior of the boat are the grabs on the cabin top. And, they are destined to go, too. I have 1/2 cord of discarded teak to bring to the rendezvous. Does anyone want it? [This message has been edited by SuperPiper (edited January 12, 2005).] IP: 199.243.115.165 |
whited unregistered
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posted January 12, 2005 12:32 PM
Wow! This seems pretty radical. I can't wait to see your picture as I'm having trouble visualizing how it works. I have trouble with the minimal footroom on either side of the table/trunk also.IP: 142.177.33.151 |
Darcy Member
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posted January 12, 2005 12:56 PM
I've been grinding the hull of our fiberglas cottage powerboat hull, removing blisters. I'll let it dry out over the winter then seal it. That should cure the blistering. I've already burnt out my brother's shop vac so he now has a new unit with fine particle filter for taking away the dust. It connects directly to the sander. Masks are also worn.I've got Shortwave's rudder next to the boat in hope of sanding, filling and refinishing it by Spring. D'Arcy IP: 65.95.110.142 |
whited unregistered
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posted January 12, 2005 04:24 PM
I'll be interested in how the rudder goes. I have to strip black paint from mine and deal with a bit of plywood delamination at the ss rudder head.IP: 142.177.33.151 |
elmet3 Member
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posted January 12, 2005 04:27 PM
Seeing all the boats is going to be very interesting.IP: 68.252.133.0 |
Eric Member
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posted January 12, 2005 05:03 PM
SuperPiper, I'd be interested in acquiring your unwanted teak!! Eric IP: 130.63.85.93 |
2short S565 Member
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posted January 12, 2005 06:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by whited: I'll be interested in how the rudder goes. I have to strip black paint from mine and deal with a bit of plywood delamination at the ss rudder head.
Is the plywood itself delaminating or is it the joint between the sheets of plywood? I had reconditioned my blade by removing all previous finishes using a belt sander. Worked real slick and really quick to get down to bare wood without removing much of the wood itself. I used the West epoxy system rolled on two coats thick to re-seal. Leaves a real nice woody look. To repair a nick at the tip I used fiberglass. To finish that off and reinforce the tip from further nicks I put two layers of narrow fiberglass over the edge on the bottom portion of the blade. I sanded that nice-nice then did the two coats of epoxy all over the blade (had the blade hanging from the ceiling so as to coat evenly to be able to controls runs before the epoxy started to set up) Normally epoxy needs to be protected from UV light, but very little of the blade is exposed above the water. I left my boat in the water all summer. I used Cetol marine to finish the rudder head. One touch up coat per year was all it required to maintain it. [This message has been edited by 2short S565 (edited January 12, 2005).] IP: 67.68.139.217 |
2short S565 Member
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posted January 12, 2005 06:49 PM
That really is a different idea for cabin hatch/companionway Superpiper. Look like you have to crawl thru it?[This message has been edited by 2short S565 (edited January 12, 2005).] IP: 67.68.139.217 |
elmet3 Member
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posted January 12, 2005 08:41 PM
2short - Did you leave your rudder in the water all summer with just 2 coats of epoxy over most of the surface???IP: 68.252.133.0 |
Darcy Member
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posted January 12, 2005 09:10 PM
In the past I've built a couple of cedar strip canoes. As I recall, we put 3 coats on the outside for protection and 2 on the inside. We only put 2 on the inside to leave a bit of the grid from the fiberglas (1 layer). This gave it a bit of "non-slip'.We then varnished the hull for UV protection. My brothers Shark rudder is finished the same way but without varnish. But he stores the rudder in the cabin when he's not sailing. D'Arcy IP: 65.92.115.237 |
2short S565 Member
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posted January 12, 2005 10:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by elmet3: 2short - Did you leave your rudder in the water all summer with just 2 coats of epoxy over most of the surface???
I kept my boat in a slip from late May or early June to late Sept or early October. Never took it out in between. Left the rudder blade fully down in the water at all times. Did that for two years no problems with the epoxy coated rudder blade. The entire rudder blade was clear epoxied with no other protection nor any antifoul. The rudder head was coated only with cetol marine.IP: 67.68.139.217 |
2short S565 Member
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posted January 12, 2005 10:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Darcy: My brothers Shark rudder is finished the same way but without varnish. But he stores the rudder in the cabin when he's not sailing.D'Arcy
Yup..the difference between a shark and Sandpiper is that the shark rudder is one piece and a significant portion is above water. That portion is exposed to UV so it is wise to hide protect it when the boat is not in use. On the Sandpiper the actual blade(the pivoting lower section) is almost completely submerged and the potion that isn't is almost completely hidden within the rudder head so it doesn't see much direct sunlight. I chewed on this fact for a while before I decided to go with it. Turned out to be OK.
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Darcy Member
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posted January 13, 2005 07:13 AM
One more comment on rudders: At the risk of being excommunicated from the wooden boat crowd, I'm thinking of painting the lower portion. We found it very difficult to see weeds on the rudder when it is left natural. A white or cream coloured rudder contrasts with dark growies snagged on the rudder.D'Arcy IP: 67.70.122.59 |
Eric Member
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posted January 16, 2005 03:41 PM
I just wanted to publicly say Thanks! to SuperPiper! He posted a little earlier in the thread about some unwanted teak. I put in my request, and today I received it!! I explained to him I was not in a big rush. I said I would drive out to him to get it, but SuperP was very kind enough to bring it to me on his way to the boat show!! Unbelievable generosity! First Class!Now I've got to get to work , and YIPPEEE, I've now got teak for my rub rails!!  Eric IP: 130.63.85.93 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted January 21, 2005 07:29 PM
Here are the photos that you were promised. They are a little late in coming: tickets to a Peterborough Pete's game, then the boat show, then incredibly cold temperatures in southern Ontario.Eric, thanks for the thanks. I hope that you are able to put the teak to good use. [This message has been edited by SuperPiper (edited January 21, 2005).] IP: 64.230.160.245 |
Roger Member
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posted January 21, 2005 09:02 PM
So superpiper, as I understand it, you have no sliding hatch at all now. Certainly this is more seaworthy, makes the cabin top stronger, reinforces the rear bulkhead, but the flipside, would be less ventilation, more difficult access. I am curious as to your motives for this retrofit. I have a DS 2 currently and if you know this model, it does not have a sliding hatch, only an opening in the companionway. I have retrofitted mine with a single board that slides down two edge tracks to act as wash boards. I have thought of glassing the opening and putting in a smaller opening as well. In fact the DS 3 has an even smaller opening in its factory model. Certainly, in a knockdown capsize, it prevents water from entering the cabin. What moved you to make this modification? [This message has been edited by Roger (edited January 21, 2005).] [This message has been edited by Roger (edited January 21, 2005).] IP: 216.55.209.39 |
whited unregistered
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posted January 21, 2005 09:30 PM
Wow...you must be a lot narrower at the 'beam' than I am. I can see me trying to squeeze into that. I'm sure it would provide hours of entertainment for the family.IP: 142.177.33.151 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted January 21, 2005 10:22 PM
I am reluctant to respond for fear of revealing just how twisted I really am.Roger's comments about seaworthiness were definitely part of my justification. The true reason for the modifications stemmed from the fact that the slider was structurally inadequate and amounted to little more than unusable space on the cabin-top. Hey, look at all that vacant bulkhead space on the interior. I smell a breaker panel coming. I have seen some great photos of other installations. IP: 64.230.160.245 |
CL14-CentralAir Member
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posted February 27, 2005 03:08 PM
Hi boys!Your to-do lists are way more sophisticated than mine: - install some kind of fishing pole holder (I'm way too girlie to handle 'bait' or the fish itself, but I did get a fishing pole for Christmas. Yay!) - refinish the small bit of teak in my CL14 - install windex - create plexiglass 'doors' for the two cubbyholes (idea received from this forum!) Is it really almost time to take to the water again? I'm so excited I can hardly stand it! - Christy IP: 65.60.136.41 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted March 19, 2005 04:40 PM
 The hatch boards are epoxied in place. There are still a bunch of bolt holes to fill and the whole joint area should get 3 layers of 6oz glass. Hey look! There is the new electrical panel. The switches and fuses will be mounted through a clear lexan cover plate. Why clear? Well, if I install a 2-element trailer bulb inside the box, the whole assembly will become a 3-way cabin light. Isn't that cool? IP: 65.94.116.49 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted March 19, 2005 04:47 PM
 And here is how she appears from the cockpit. There are as many as 3 layers of laminate to make the whole surface flush. Much to my surprise, the assembly is actually about 200g heavier than the 2 plain hatch boards. Yeah, there are some gaps to close, some joints to fair and some holes to fill. A drip cap needs to be added along the top 1/3. Cool, eh? IP: 65.94.116.49 |
whited unregistered
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posted March 19, 2005 07:03 PM
I see you'll be showing off at Parry Sound. That little bracket for the electrical panel is really neat. My boat is the way it left the factory door...except for the extra padeyes I installed to help raise my mast and larger backing plates plus I installed the lifeline package. I don't know if a battery was ever installed on this boat. I have to start from scratch on my electrical system...unless I just buy a battery/box & have running & interior lights this year. IP: 142.177.154.253 |
Eric Member
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posted March 24, 2005 03:55 PM
Superpiper, I got thinking about these posts of yours (above) yesterday. I was outside working on Paradise, and removing my old Elsan head. I've been burrowing away at the foam floatation, to remove the old hose, so I can replace with new. It was pretty cold out, although not unbearably so. How on earth can you be doing glass work in the winter? Do you have a big propane heater blasting out heat, under your tarp? I want to epoxy up some old holes for the sea hood slider rail, so I can install the new teak I got . It's too darn cold for epoxy resin to kick! So, what's your secret??  EricIP: 130.63.85.93 |
SuperPiper Member
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posted March 25, 2005 05:05 AM
Eric:First, it is important to get the mix correct: 1 part hardener, 5 parts resin, 20 parts patience. As great a product that epoxy is, there sure is a lot of room for improvement. It is not a particularly operator-friendly product. I spend a lot of time acting as a human vacuum bag: pushing the glass back down into the mix, catching the drips and brushing the runs, etc. The set-up time for expoxy seems to always break the project into 3 hour tasks (one & rarely 2 tasks per day, so only 2-3 tasks per weekend). I read a tip about cool weather epoxy work. I use a paint-stripper hot air gun to pre-heat the area. Then after the application, I continue to apply local heat. Of course with temperature, the epoxy gets more fluid and starts to run and drip. And I found out the hard way that the styrofoam cores I use do not withstand the heat. They shrink/melt and then require repair work to get back to the intended shape. I have a small electric heater in the cabin to keep the space warm during the work. The hull and cabintop are still cool to the touch. I share the same concern as you. Come spring will all the glasswork delaminate and crumble into a sticky mess? IP: 65.94.116.49 |
Ken Member
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posted March 30, 2005 02:32 PM
Here are just some of the modifications and improvements that were completed on ShortWave (S-565) 2002 - New six-inch thick cushions inside making a convertible, comfortable double bed for two 6' adults 2002 - Thetford MSD-35 head (12 L holding tank) installed with vent and pumpout to metal deck fitting. 2002 - New deep-discharge marine battery, a proper big one...(not the tire store type) 2002 - New jib sheet 2001 - All cleats, stanchions and other deck hardware removed and re-bedded with 3M 5200 sealant, using large backing plates, stainless washers, lock washers and nuts. Gear and bedding will remain dry in wet weather! 2000 - New Delta anchor with 20ft chain and 225ft heavy nylon rode. 2000 - All wiring replaced or modified for interior lighting, cigar lighter DC convenience outlets plus fusing and a digital battery voltage monitor. Master DC power switch. Two interior lights and cockpit light. 2000 - Masthead navigation-light and white steaming light at the mast spreaders; new white stern light on railing. Original deck-mounted navigation lights is switch selected. 2000 - Windex light at masthead (easier to see the Windex when night sailing) 1999 - New standing rigging and spreaders, shroud turnbuckles fully toggled, all rigging has split-ring retainers (no cotter pins!) 1998 - 8hp Johnson Sailmaster (1998) long-shaft outboard equipped with 6 amp alternator....a motor that cold starts on the second pull is a wonderful thing! 1998 - Two plastic quick-change fuel tanks, 22 and 11.35 Litres 1998 - New dual-spring motor bracket, three laminated padlocks and a Kryptonite-style steel tether to discourage motor theft 1998 - Lazarette vent scoops (screened for insects) for battery and fuel compartment 1998 - Digital display depth sounder, installed with thru-hull transducer 1998 - Cabin lockers kept fresh with four large stainless louvered vents - Pulpit and stern rail with single lifelines, two gates - VHF radio with masthead antenna. - All mast electrical connections via stainless waterproof deck connectors. - Beckson stainless cabin ventilator - Louvered vent on companionway duckboards - Non-skid on cabin roof and cockpit coamings - Main halyard winch & handle at cockpit - Mainsail halyard, topping lift, boom vang, and continuous jib furling lines led aft to cockpit - Two fire extinguishers - Illuminated Plastimo bulkhead compass with inclinometer and compass cover - Three (long) docklines - Permanent bilge pump for lazarette - Anchor and lazarette hatches secured with stainless tethers (hatches don't float) - Boat hook - Whisker pole - Swim ladder (rigid) - Two large fenders - Cockpit cushions - Hatch screens (Velcro) - Forehatch has a spring prop to keep it open - Two paddles - Windex at masthead (illuminated) - Flag halyard on starboard spreader - Full spares for fuses, lamps, outboard spark plugs and shear pins - Allen key to remove stanchions and pulpit - Keel bolt crank handle The boat's original factory bottom was de-waxed, prepped, and barrier-coated in 1990 with 5 coats of VC-Tar. It has been protected with VC-17 anti-fouling since then. There is no blistering. The hull's blue topsides were painted in 1990 with dark blue Interlux Brightside polyurethane, original white deck. The rub rails, cabin handholds and other brightwork have been treated with Cetol-M each season. ShortWave has single jiffy reefing on the main, and a furling jib. The mainsail is protected by a matching dark blue monogrammed boom cover. A removable "wishbone" strut and pivoting mast tabernacle make mast stepping a one person job while still on the trailer using the cockpit winch. This boat has a dark blue, single axle road trailer with upgraded axle, bearings, "Bearing Buddies" and 15" wheels plus a new spare. The trailer's tongue was lengthened to facilitate launching without drowning the tow vehicle. All trailer lights are in good shape. The tongue is easily removable for more compact storage. This trailer has eight articulated rollers to support the stern, with rollers under the keel. There are two long vertical guides to centre the boat when hauling it out. A crank-up tongue jack with wheel is included. The trailer is plated and the licence will be transferred to a new owner. A large heavy-duty (silver pool-type cover material) winter cover. It covers the boat and trailer right down to the wheels. The mast has a canvas winter cover made by Fogh. Boat, motor and trailer insurance ($2,000,000 liability) in Toronto runs around $120/year
------------------ "Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic And amateurs built the Ark." IP: 141.117.228.250 |
Darcy Member
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posted March 31, 2005 12:47 AM
Shortwave is a well equiped boat. It had so many strong points. The VC-17 sold me as did the new motor.Amazingly enough, we're still adding things to the boat. I'm sanding down the rudder for finishing. We're also thinking of putting on Harken jib cleats to ease lifting the sheets off when it blows. A slightly longer tiller extension may also be added. As well, we now have a small camp stove, kettle and ice box for the rendezvous. D'Arcy D'Arcy IP: 67.70.120.159 |
whited unregistered
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posted March 31, 2005 09:41 AM
That's right D'Arcy...gotta put your own mark on the boat.IP: 142.177.154.253 |
Ken Member
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posted March 31, 2005 04:56 PM
Regarding the old deck pumpout hose and fitting...leave it there. Install another metallic "Waste" deck fitting and run some of the good white stuff to your head. The existing pupout hose was behind the liner. The new hose is inside the boat but now very serviceable. I installed a hull mounted vent fitting and hose as well to exhaust any possible odours.------------------ "Never be afraid to try something new: Professionals built the Titanic And amateurs built the Ark." IP: 141.117.228.250 |
Eric Member
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posted March 31, 2005 07:46 PM
LOL Ken, leaving the old hose may have been the easier way to go! It was guite a job to remove. I had to cut a 6" round hole in the berth, up front at the bulkhead to continue digging away at the flotation. (Superpiper's pics gave me this idea. I'll cover it with an acess plate later.) My arm just wasn't long enough to reach up under all the way to the bulkhead . The floor of the anchor locker is 5" above the level of the berth, adding to the work. It was also delicate work cutting the old hose out from around the anchor locker floor. The old caulking used is slathered in there pretty good, and the hose is up tight against the hull. I used my Dremel with the cutting bit, very carefully here. The other thing making the old hose difficult to remove, is the fact that it is corrugated, and is locked into the flotation. It was very brittle and broke apart fairly easy. I will buy the proper new waste hose when I install the new potty. Now that the old hose is out, I'll be able to more easily install the new waste hose and vent. I'll be getting the new potty this weekend. I will take some progress pics and post later on. EricIP: 130.63.85.93 |
Ken Member
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posted April 01, 2005 09:27 AM
Here's a shot of the pumpout hose installation. Note that the vent hose goes to a 90 degree fitting, which has a short piece of hose connecting it to the thru-hull vent barb. You need to do it this way because there is a one inch of space between the cabin liner and the hull. It's easier than you would think. Cut a 1-1/2 inch hole in the liner and then drill a hole in the hull to accomodate the screened vent. Stick the hose out through both holes , assemble the vent, short hose and 90 degree fitting to the vent hose and than pull it all back. Angle the vent inlet downward and slightly back to keep seawater from filling your head tank.
 Here's a shot of one of the four stainless vents which help to reduce hull and locker condensation when thew water is cold in May/June.

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