Jacques
(crew)
02/15/18 10:36 AM
Towing your Sandpiper

Hi all!

What do you use to tow your Sandpiper? I own a Kia Soul. Can I tow my Sandpiper safely with that or should I look for a SUV? Thanks.


piperman
(veteran)
02/15/18 02:15 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

I have a minivan with a V6 (Ford Windstar) And I can feel the boat when accelerating or braking

Do you know about the towing limits of you Kia? I don't think it can really pull all that weight.


Jacques
(crew)
02/18/18 09:28 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Towing is not recommanded by the manufacturer so I guess I'll have to find something else. Its a drag having to borrow a friend's vehicle every time but the sailing is worth it.

Brent
(stranger)
02/27/18 09:52 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

I tow my Sandpiper with a Pontiac Vibe which has a towing capacity of 1500lbs...but by towing, I mean I move the sailboat from its parking spot to the ramp, 100 meters away.
I would likely rent a vehicle if I was hauling the boat any great distance.


Sandpaper
(addict)
03/03/18 07:37 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Like this?




We left Peterborough early on a Sunday morning to avoid traffic, and we hauled the stripped-out Sandpiper to Mazinaw Lake. We only ever got into 6th gear on the downhills, and we went right down into the granny-gears to climb the more steep hills. It wasn't the best tow vehicle for this load. Imagine the work if we had the boat and the Vibe loaded for cruising.


Brent
(stranger)
03/07/18 03:45 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Yes just like this..but I any have a 1.8 engine to pull.

Shortwave
(old hand)
03/08/18 10:49 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Used to tow Shortwave with a Toyota Sienna. Worked well except front wheel drive would skid when driving up steep launch ramps.
We now have a Volvo XC-70. With all wheel drive and heavy weight of the car it is incredibly stable.
Here we are getting ready fo Lake Mazinaw Sailabration.

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D'Arcy, Shortwave


Sandpaper
(addict)
03/09/18 08:10 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

D'Arcy, that Volvo wagon is a sweet mule. I have Volvo envy.

Brent, the Vibe in the photo was also a 1.8L. It was a Vibe GT, which I think meant that it had windshield wipers AND a cigarette lighter. I wouldn't recommend such a small vehicle for towing a 'Piper.


Jacques
(crew)
03/10/18 11:11 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Well, I had to bite the bullet and get something that could tow my Piper. Got a used Kia Sportage. According to the manufacturer, it's capable of towing 2000lb. It should do the trick, I hope. Time will tell.

Sandpaper
(addict)
03/12/18 04:30 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Beware of Scope Creep. It can sneak up on you.

The example that was recited to me involved a woodstove. Harry owned a woodlot, so he decided that he would cut wood to help heat his house. He already had a pick-up truck (just in case his wife phoned him at work and asked him to bring home a bale of straw, or a diesel generator). He bought a new chainsaw, but decided that he would also need a 4-wheeler plus a trailer to haul behind the 4-wheeler. The ATV would fit into the box of the pick-up, but the pick-up would be full of firewood, so he needed a highway trailer for the ATV and its trailer. Harry bought a gas-powered wood splitter, to save his back. He built a woodshed, plus a garage to get the 4-wheeler out of the weather. With fuel for the pick-up, the chainsaw, the splitter, and the 4-wheeler, plus road coffees and other assorted wood-cutting beverages, the money saved on electric heat should balance sometime in 2108.

Harry's wife now gets hot flashes and won't let him make a fire in the woodstove. Harry bought a Sandpiper and now enjoys sailing whenever he can.


Little Wave
(enthusiast)
03/13/18 09:13 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

 Originally Posted By: Sandpaper
Beware of Scope Creep. It can sneak up on you.


That gave me a quite chuckle!

We used to use a chainsaw, cut the logs up and roll the butts up a ramp into the back of a van. Then at home used an axe and a wheelbarrow to cut and pile it all. A few years later dad build his own design of a wood splitter (the wood splitter could even roll into the van when needed) but that was 45 years ago and dad often said he should have patented it.

We heated the house with a home made wood stove (transformer barrel) for 18 years that heated 2 hot water systems; one that was pumped into a homemade heat exchanger that rested just above the oil furnace burner (just the air fan was used) and then into two 80 gallon tanks, and the second system into a third 80 gallon tank that that preheated all the hot water before it went into the electric hot water tank for the house/showers.

Man we never ever worried about hot water for showers or washing machine (yes the hot cycle was used) and forget about those flow reducing spay heads now that everyone uses.

An average winter used about 12 cords of wood. Dad use to grin and hide 20 dollar bills under some of the butts to encourage us to split and pile more. 20 bucks back then bought a lot like what like a 100 bucks buys now. \:D

Now if Dad had todays technology the amount of wood needed would be allot less.

Dad sold his stove off when he was older and his heath was less switching to natural gas, but his stove is still alive and working today heating a fellows indoor swimming pool across town.


Kevin
(stranger)
05/28/18 09:30 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

I used to tow mine with a '97 Volvo 850 wagon, FWD, non-turbo, 2.4 L automatic.
Just going from home to the local launches was fine, but did make one trek about 2 hrs away. Poor little 5 cylinder screamed for the highway portion of the trip, rarely got into top gear.

I now have a 2013 Ford Flex AWD, 3.5 L, 6 speed auto. Haven't been able to tow the boat far yet but with an extra 1300 lbs and 120 HP it'll be a much less exciting event.

another side benefit is the Flex is wider than the Volvo so I don't have to use extended mirrors while towing.


Jacques
(crew)
07/02/18 10:11 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

I use my 2014 Sportage to tow my Piper from my home to the marina, about 30 miles away. With 176 hp, the Sportage had no problem even at 60 mph on the highway going uphill.

Sandpaper
(addict)
07/23/18 09:23 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

The Ins And Outs Of Trailering

We were recently pulling Sapphire out of Mazinaw Lake to trailer her to another fantastic sailing venue. But there was more than one complication. Sapphire's pulpit had been removed as part of a winter project (yes, I know that this is July). And with it, the bow ring had been removed. Major oops at the boat ramp.

The crew of Shortwave was nearby. Lynda suggested that the missing bow ring might be replaced by a length of yacht braid. Check it out. It's the Lynda Loop. We were able to winch Sapphire onto her trailer by drawing on this 3/16" line with a bowline knot.

How cool is that?





The pulpit and the bow ring have been reinstalled. Life is good again.



Bow Ring And Lynda Loop Pix by Sandpaper, on Flickr


Sandpaper
(addict)
07/24/18 05:28 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Observation: have you rolled your boat onto its trailer, right up to the bow roller, only to find that you have to winch it another 4" or 5" once the rig is on dry ground? Have you wondered why?

Here is the explanation. The trailer is underwater and is parallel to the pitch of the boat launch, in the range of 10 - 15 degrees below horizontal. But, the boat is floating level at the water surface. Bring the two units to a common level on dry land, and you have a mismatch. It's simple geometry.

Last Saturday, I had to change my 1-7/8" ball to 2" for Sapphire's boat trailer. Instead of installing the ball on the hitch in a semi-rise posture, I opted to install it semi-drop. I'm convinced that the boat floated onto the trailer better than ever (one event is NOT a statistically significant sample). The difference in ball height is in the range of 5"-6". That's a difference of 1 - 2 degrees depending on the launch ramp.

It's true that the trailer looked a little low at the bow on the highway, but I can live with that if it makes launching and retrieving any easier.

Do you need a sketch to follow this discussion?


Shortwave
(old hand)
07/29/18 10:22 PM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Makes sense Dennis. If you can get the ball lower the trailer will be slightly more horizontal to the floating Sandpiper. Any problem towing a boat that way? Sort of nose down.
D'Arcy, Shortwave


Sandpaper
(addict)
07/31/18 06:54 AM
Re: Towing your Sandpiper

Hi D'Arcy.

The only side effect was that more rainwater collected in the cockpit. The drain was at the high end of the cockpit while sitting on the trailer. The anchor locker drained well, though.

We didn't experience any fishtailing (Sapphire is heavy on the ball). I don't know if there was any distortion of the boat travelling in ground effect.

The bow-down attitude may be similar to foiling boats in the America's Cup. The speeds were similar: trailering vs foiling.



Foiling by Sandpaper, on Flickr